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« on: December 29, 2007, 02:51:50 AM »

I say this is entrapment - that should be indecent exposure as well.  And that crap in NYC with the stuff in the subways is disgusting - how do the cops know that they weren't going to take the wallet to a police station?  Are they just supposed to leave it there for somebody else to steal?  These sting operations are a bunch of b.s. if you ask me (and this coming from a strong Law and Order Republican).

Topless Woman Lured Perverts in Police Sting
Firefighter Busted for Exposing Himself to Sunbather Appeals 'Entrapment' Conviction



Robin Garrison, an off-duty 42-year-old firefighter, was walking in Berliner Park in Columbus, Ohio, in May when he saw a woman sunbathing topless under a tree.

He approached her and they started talking and getting comfortable, the woman smiling and resting her foot on his shoulder at one point.

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Eventually, she asked to see Garrison's penis; he unzipped his pants and complied.

Seconds later, undercover police officers pulled up in a van and arrested Garrison; he was later charged with public indecency, a misdemeanor, based on video footage taken by cops who were targeting men having sex or masturbating in the park. While topless sunbathing is legal in the city's parks, exposing more than that is against the law.

The case is just one of the more extreme examples of police stings aimed at luring people into committing crimes, a tactic that has resulted in hundreds of arrests, many convictions and plenty of controversy.

Law enforcement officials say that such sting operations are an extremely effective means of lowering crime rates and stopping the criminally minded before they commit worse offenses. From early 2006 to the spring of 2007, there were 160 citations for public indecency in the city, according to an investigation by 10TV News. Among those who were caught in the stings: an Ohio State University doctor, government employees and a retired highway trooper.

But such operations veer dangerously close to entrapment, say lawyers, civil libertarians and defendants who've been caught in sting operations.

At Garrison's trial, his attorney argued that it was a case of entrapment. "Columbus police utilized this topless woman to snare this man," said Sam Shamansky. "He sees her day after day. He's not some seedy pervert."

The argument failed to sway a Franklin County Municipal Court jury that found Garrison guilty of public indecency last month. He was ordered to stay away from the park, placed on a year's probation and fined $250. Currently, Garrison remains on paid desk duty while the fire department conducts an internal investigation into his behavior.

"We want to be held to a higher standard, we are in the community every day and we put our best foot forward, but sometimes we stumble and make a mistake," said Columbus Fire Battalion Chief Doug Smith.

Garrison could not be reached for comment.

Shamansky plans to appeal the verdict on the grounds that the jury wasn't instructed on the definition of entrapment.

Other police departments across the country have dangled other temptations, from big-screen plasma TVs, Xbox 360 consoles and a shopping bag containing a cell phone and an iPod to catch people breaking the law.

In New York City, nearly 300 people, many of whom had no criminal record, have been snared this year through the NYPD's Operation Lucky Bag, in which undercover officers leave a wallet, iPod or cell phone in a subway station and wait to see who picks it up.

Although deputy police Commissioner Paul Browne says the program has helped cut subway grand larcenies by half, critics say that the police have gone too far.

"It's pretty straightforward that this is a police-created crime," said Legal Aid Society lawyer Alex Lesman, who defended a man arrested for taking a bag containing an Xbox video game box, a Sprint cell phone and cash. "The police set this whole thing up. They shouldn't be doing that and luring people in that situation, especially in this age of terrorism where the transit system is always telling you to be on the lookout for suspicious bags."

The judge agreed with Lesman, acquitting his client, Antonio Arroyo. "The police should concentrate their noble efforts on behalf of the city on countering real crimes committed every day," wrote Kings County criminal court judge Matthew A. Sciarrino Jr. "They do not need to manipulate a situation where temptation may overcome even people who would normally never think of committing a crime."

Other lawyers have argued on behalf of their clients that the operation may also violate New York's personal property law, which allows someone who finds property worth more than $25 10 days to turn it in to the owner or the police.

An NYPD spokesperson emphasized that Operation Lucky Bag does not use abandoned property; rather it is property actively left by an officer who is still in the vicinity. In addition, it is used at stations where similar crimes have been reported.

Another sting operation that made headlines involved police in El Paso, Texas, and U.S. Marshals sending out messages to wanted felons stating that they had "won" free Xbox 360 consoles and/or big-screen plasma TVs. The operation led to 115 arrests last month and the police picked up more than $25,000 in traffic fines.

This ploy, which has been used in other cities in recent years, is a new twist on an old trick, because sting operations involving drugs and prostitutes have been around for decades. And though defendants often claim entrapment, that argument rarely works in those kind of cases.

"The definition of entrapment is police activity that induces somebody to commit a crime that they otherwise wouldn't do," said Gabriel Chin, law professor at the University of Arizona. "It's not entrapment to give somebody an opportunity to commit a crime."

Chin explains that entrapment involves an officer cajoling and persuading someone who's resistant to the idea of committing a crime. "Just preying on a predisposition is not necessarily entrapment."

But he said that Operation Lucky Bag seemed to cross a line, especially when compared to longstanding police operations involving officers posing as drunks to lure muggers to take their wallets or jewelry.

"Very few people who see a drunk with gold chains or an old lady with money sticking out of her purse succumb to temptation and assault that person," he said. "But lots and lots of people wouldn't turn in a wallet when it's full of money. You could ask whether it's an appropriate use of police resources. If we really want to criminalize people who do what we don't want them to do, a lot of people would be in jail."

The temptation may just be too powerful. "I've found $5 on the street and put it in my pocket," said Chin. "If I found $5,000 on the street, I hope I would do something different."
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2007, 05:36:22 AM »

And some people don't believe that the US is a police state.
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2007, 05:39:21 AM »

Obviously it's entrapment.
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2007, 08:03:10 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2007, 10:25:36 AM »

Not only is this entrapment, and typical police behavior in the Bad Place, I would like to point out that any male who exhibits any sign of his sexuality is labelled a 'pervert'.  The only masculine sexuality that is acceptable in the Police State is a state of shame, lived in the abject subjugation of marriage. 

In other words, for all practical purposes, american culture castrates its men.
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2007, 10:36:27 AM »

Yes, but it should be legal.  Because without stings like this, programs like COPS and so forth would cease production and all we'd be left with are re-runs of Different Strokes and Fresh Prince....
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2007, 10:46:03 AM »

Also, I didn't know that crime was so low in the US that the police has time to waste on entraping petty thieves.
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2007, 11:10:22 AM »

Also, I didn't know that crime was so low in the US that the police has time to waste on entraping petty thieves.

These lazy thugs only pursue non-violent harmless 'offenders', as they are too afraid to confront 'real criminals'.  Besides, there is actually very little 'real crime'.
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2007, 11:29:38 AM »

So this is what our hard-earned tax-dollars are being spent on....   
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2007, 12:21:19 PM »

So this is what our hard-earned tax-dollars are being spent on....   

Hardly.  Your hard earned tax dollars are mostly spent on social security, medicare, paying the bloated salaries of defense contractor CEOs and funding the war in Iraq (though not necessarily the troops).

The amount of money spent on sting operations is a drop in the bucket.

Oh, and before I forget:  Paying massive amounts of interest on the debt we've racked up so that rich Americans can get richer.
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2007, 12:33:53 PM »

Nuff said, actually.
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2007, 12:46:13 PM »

So this is what our hard-earned tax-dollars are being spent on....   

Bingo!  Time for a little budget cutting in the NYPD. Save the city taxpayers a few of their hard earned dollars.
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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2007, 12:58:36 PM »

So this is what our hard-earned tax-dollars are being spent on....   

Bingo!  Time for a little budget cutting in the NYPD. Save the city taxpayers a few of their hard earned dollars.

Why does New York get jumped on? No insults to El Paso or Columbus, to basically everywhere else in the country where this happens...

Anyway, agree with what's already been said, etc.
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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2007, 01:10:44 PM »

So this is what our hard-earned tax-dollars are being spent on....   

Bingo!  Time for a little budget cutting in the NYPD. Save the city taxpayers a few of their hard earned dollars.

Why does New York get jumped on? No insults to El Paso or Columbus, to basically everywhere else in the country where this happens...

Anyway, agree with what's already been said, etc.

I don't intend to single out NY. But the story is about NY. It is likely the same in other cities as well.
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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2007, 04:56:29 PM »

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« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2007, 04:58:12 PM »

So this is what our hard-earned tax-dollars are being spent on....   

I smell a way to get a really nice tax cut.
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« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2007, 05:00:05 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2007, 11:55:21 PM »

So this is what our hard-earned tax-dollars are being spent on....   

Bingo!  Time for a little budget cutting in the NYPD. Save the city taxpayers a few of their hard earned dollars.

Um, this kind of thing, when associated fines are included, is almost guaranteed to be a net money raiser for the police and taxpayers, not a net drain on resources.

It's like saying that we can save tax dollars by having fewer cops writing speeding tickets.

Not to say that what they're doing isn't entrapment, of course.
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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2007, 12:22:39 AM »

Not only is this entrapment, and typical police behavior in the Bad Place, I would like to point out that any male who exhibits any sign of his sexuality is labelled a 'pervert'.  The only masculine sexuality that is acceptable in the Police State is a state of shame, lived in the abject subjugation of marriage. 

In other words, for all practical purposes, american culture castrates its men.

Someone's been reading a few too many dystopian novels, eh?
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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2007, 12:24:58 AM »

The greater question: Why is topless sunbathing legal and outdoors sex is not? How can one provocative display be considered permissible and the other considered illegal?
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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2007, 12:28:28 AM »

The greater question: Why is topless sunbathing legal and outdoors sex is not?

Seriously?  You have to ask this question?
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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2007, 12:33:25 AM »
« Edited: December 30, 2007, 12:35:01 AM by Joe McBloomberg '08 »

The greater question: Why is topless sunbathing legal and outdoors sex is not?

Seriously?  You have to ask this question?
You support fining people for having sex in public? Does this pose a threat to anyone in society? If a woman decides to sunbathe topless in a non-nudist beach, she should face the same penalty as a man who engages in coitus in a similar surrounding. Either legalize prostitution and public sex or penalize all forms of public nudity.
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« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2007, 12:33:41 AM »

lol, ohio is so backwards to outlaw outdoors sex
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« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2007, 12:35:36 AM »

lol, ohio is so backwards to outlaw outdoors sex
Are you being facetious?
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« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2007, 12:55:36 AM »

One of the few times I've ever seen everyone agree on the same issue.

Yes, this is entrapment. It's both scary and sad at the same time.
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