The Atlasia Concealed Firearm Act of 2004

[Akno21]

Under this bill, if the weapon is cleared with the government, I could bring it into a mall, a supermarket, a football game, etc, am I correct?

[Akno21]

Under this bill, if the weapon is cleared with the government, I could bring it into a mall, a supermarket, a football game, etc, am I correct?

I would see no argument against it unless a particular establishment banned firearms from their property.

At a football game of 60,000, you think safety would be improved if more, possibly drunk or otherwise crazed, people would have the capability to kill?

[Akno21]

Under this bill, if the weapon is cleared with the government, I could bring it into a mall, a supermarket, a football game, etc, am I correct?

I would see no argument against it unless a particular establishment banned firearms from their property.

At a football game of 60,000, you think safety would be improved if more, possibly drunk or otherwise crazed, people would have the capability to kill?

I would trust that most stadiums would ban them. Again read my above response.

Ok, so no guns at football games. Good. But if I walk through a public park, theoretically, 50 people could be pointing a gun at me?

[Akno21]

Under this bill, if the weapon is cleared with the government, I could bring it into a mall, a supermarket, a football game, etc, am I correct?

I would see no argument against it unless a particular establishment banned firearms from their property.

At a football game of 60,000, you think safety would be improved if more, possibly drunk or otherwise crazed, people would have the capability to kill?

I would trust that most stadiums would ban them. Again read my above response.

Ok, so no guns at football games. Good. But if I walk through a public park, theoretically, 50 people could be pointing a gun at me?

Obviously you didn't read the 10-20-Life link.

I have read it. Still, the odds that I'm voting for this are very slim.

[Akno21]

Yea

[Akno21]

Yea

Maybe I won't endorse anyone in your race

I voted against the actual bill itself.

[Akno21]

Yea

Maybe I won't endorse anyone in your race

I voted against the actual bill itself.

Ah.  Never mind.  Sorry.

I proudly endorse you

Thank you. Feel free to make your endorsement known in the Fantasy Elections thread so voters can see it.

[Akno21]

5 Yes
0 No
2 Abstain

If Tweed, Michael Z, or DemRepDan vote this could be passed...as long as Tweed doesn't know the UAC is voting for it...it could be possible...

I didn't vote for it. I voted yes on the amendment but not on the act itself.

[Akno21]

I vote Nay.

(At one point I had abstained, but I changed to nay)

[Akno21]

I abstain.

Can I change my vote to Nay?

[Akno21]

I'll justify my vote too. I believe this bill would put more guns on the street and that leads to the death of innocent people.

[Akno21]

I'll justify my vote too. I believe this bill would put more guns on the street and that leads to the death of innocent people.

And how, exactly, Senator, will this stoping this prevent criminals from aquirering firearms?

Mr. Vice President, when someone purchases a firearm, you have no way of knowing what their intentions are.

If you allow someone to legally walk down the street carrying a firearm, who knows what kind of mental health they may be in. They may be drunk, in which case they could accidently shoot someone. It is my personal belief that more guns don't make people safer. In fact, although I see no problem to allowing people to have firearms in their own homes, it should be noted that when people shoot an "intruder" they are more likely to shoot their spouse going to the bathroom than they are to stop an intruder. It is my personal belief that more guns in public places do not make us safer. You may disagree with that, and I respect your right to.

[Akno21]

I'll justify my vote too. I believe this bill would put more guns on the street and that leads to the death of innocent people.

And how, exactly, Senator, will this stoping this prevent criminals from aquirering firearms?

Mr. Vice President, when someone purchases a firearm, you have no way of knowing what their intentions are.

If you allow someone to legally walk down the street carrying a firearm, who knows what kind of mental health they may be in. They may be drunk, in which case they could accidently shoot someone. It is my personal belief that more guns don't make people safer. In fact, although I see no problem to allowing people to have firearms in their own homes, it should be noted that when people shoot an "intruder" they are more likely to shoot their spouse going to the bathroom than they are to stop an intruder. It is my personal belief that more guns in public places do not make us safer. You may disagree with that, and I respect your right to.

Real cirminals don't purchase firearms over the counter.  If I wanted to I could leave my appartment right now, head down five blocks and buy a gun for $50 from someone on the street.  That's how real criminals get their weapons.  They aren't going to try to get a concealed carry permit, they are just going to carry the damn thing.  Are you really so foolish that you honestly believe that a criminal who would commit such a crime will obey the law and not carry a concealed firearm?

Would it not make more sense to grant citizens the right to conceal arms for their own personal protection?

If someone walks up to you on a street and points a gun at your head, having a gun yourself wouldn't help you. The criminal would see you reaching into your coat pocket, and he'd kill you right then.

What we need is to have more background checks, and make it harder for criminals to acquire guns, legally or not. That includes increasing funding for police and law enforcement officals. Every gun a criminal gets was gotten from somewhere, we need to make it harder for a gun to pass into a criminals hands. Having a gun yourself doesn't ensure your safety.

[Akno21]

I'll justify my vote too. I believe this bill would put more guns on the street and that leads to the death of innocent people.

And how, exactly, Senator, will this stoping this prevent criminals from aquirering firearms?

Mr. Vice President, when someone purchases a firearm, you have no way of knowing what their intentions are.

If you allow someone to legally walk down the street carrying a firearm, who knows what kind of mental health they may be in. They may be drunk, in which case they could accidently shoot someone. It is my personal belief that more guns don't make people safer. In fact, although I see no problem to allowing people to have firearms in their own homes, it should be noted that when people shoot an "intruder" they are more likely to shoot their spouse going to the bathroom than they are to stop an intruder. It is my personal belief that more guns in public places do not make us safer. You may disagree with that, and I respect your right to.

Real cirminals don't purchase firearms over the counter.  If I wanted to I could leave my appartment right now, head down five blocks and buy a gun for $50 from someone on the street.  That's how real criminals get their weapons.  They aren't going to try to get a concealed carry permit, they are just going to carry the damn thing.  Are you really so foolish that you honestly believe that a criminal who would commit such a crime will obey the law and not carry a concealed firearm?

Would it not make more sense to grant citizens the right to conceal arms for their own personal protection?

If someone walks up to you on a street and points a gun at your head, having a gun yourself wouldn't help you. The criminal would see you reaching into your coat pocket, and he'd kill you right then.

What we need is to have more background checks, and make it harder for criminals to acquire guns, legally or not. That includes increasing funding for police and law enforcement officals. Every gun a criminal gets was gotten from somewhere, we need to make it harder for a gun to pass into a criminals hands. Having a gun yourself doesn't ensure your safety.

First off, if a criminal knows that I, or someone near me, might have a gun, then they might think twice about trying anything to begin with.  If, however, I cannot carry a concealed firearm because of the law, he can be fairly certain that he has the upper hand.  If I too can carry a firearm, then he will know that he has to sneek up on me, and if he fails, that gives me a chance.  If I have no gun, no matter what I do, he has the upper hand.

Second, this is no solution to the problem.  It doesn't plug the leaks that allow criminals to purchase guns.  Instead, it justs takes them out of the hands of law abidding citizens.  You are suffering for some form of backwards logic here, in that you seek to start at the end goal.  If I were going to organize an anti-gun plan, this would be the last step, not the first.  My first step would be to fix problems with the laws that we have to make it harder for criminals to aquire firm-arms in the first place.  What you have done is to vote to tip the scale decisively in favor of the criminals who already have, or can aquire arms, and don't give a sh**t about the law.

Fine, would you like to draft legislation that provides strciter background checks for people purchasing guns?

If carrying a weapon in public is illegal, a policeman could arrest a would-be-criminal for carrying it.

I think the real question we must grapple with is why we have over 10,000 gun murders per year and other civilized countries have 200. Why are we so violent?