Has the GOP ever nominated a non-Texan Southerner for either prez or VP?

[Mr. Morden]

Just curious.  I know that the South was solidly Dem. until a few decades ago, but I'm trying to think of a single example from the GOP's entire history when they nominated someone from the South aside from Texas for either president or vice president, and I can't think of any cases where that happened.  (I'd classify "The South" as all the states that were in the Confederacy, plus KY, OK, and WV.  And "nominated from" the state means that they launched their political career there, not that they were born there.  So, e.g., Reagan counts as "from" CA rather than IL.)

The only example that I can think of is Andrew Johnson in 1864, though obviously that's a special case, since he wasn't really a Republican.  There are probably several examples that I'm just not thinking of, but if not, then it might very well happen for the first time in 2008 (or not....still unclear who'll be nominated for either prez or VP).

[Kaine for Senate '18]

None that I can tell, although that will probably change in 2008.

[J. J.]

In theory, Agnew (MD).

[JSojourner]

Let's see...

Dole?  Nope -- that's Kansas.

Agnew?  Nah -- too much of a stretch to say Maryland is "South", even though it was a slave state.

I think you're right.

[J. J.]

Let's see...

Dole?  Nope -- that's Kansas.

Agnew?  Nah -- too much of a stretch to say Maryland is "South", even though it was a slave state.

I think you're right.

You are kinda limiting the "South."  By most definitions, Texas was part of the "South" and, at lest until 1950 or so, Maryland would be as well.  It was a slave state that was segregated until the 1950's.

[Mr. Morden]

Meh, I don't really consider Maryland to be part of the South.  Texas certainly is the South.  I was just wondering if there were any examples outside of Texas.

[minionofmidas]

Meh, I don't really consider Maryland to be part of the South.  Texas certainly is the South.  I was just wondering if there were any examples outside of Texas.

And the answer is, "only if you count Agnew".
Maryland is the South, historically. Maryland still is the South, in more ways than not.
Agnew, Baltimore city operator and second-generation Greek immigrant, was certainly not a Southern Politician by any stretch of the imagination, though.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Is Indiana the South? Um... wasn't Kemp from NY?

[minionofmidas]

Is Indiana the South?

No.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Is Indiana the South?

No.

That kinda was my point.

[minionofmidas]

Is Indiana the South?

No.

That kinda was my point.

Ah, okay. I think I got your point now. Your point is that you don't understand Maryland all that well.

[JSojourner]

Maryland is south of the Mason-Dixon line.  And it was a slave state.

But it didn't secede.  And Marylanders fought for both the Union and the Confederacy in the Civil War. 

So ask a Marylander if he is a Southerner, and it might depend on how he views the Late Unpleasantness.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Barry Goldwater

He was born in Phoenix which is located within the boundaries of the Confederate Arizona Territory (southern half of present day Arizona and New Mexico)

[Хahar 🤔]

Barry Goldwater

He was born in Phoenix which is located within the boundaries of the Confederate Arizona Territory (southern half of present day Arizona and New Mexico)

That's really stretching the definition of South.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Well, in 1864 the Republican party called itself (for that election), the Union party, and nominated Andrew Johnson (Tennessee) for Vice-President.

[12th Doctor]

Is Indiana the South?

No.

Depends on if you mean geographically or culturally.  In terms of culture... pretty much, if you don't count Gary and South Bend.

[J. J.]

Is Indiana the South?

No.

Depends on if you mean geographically or culturally.  In terms of culture... pretty much, if you don't count Gary and South Bend.

I think that is the key.

If I'm going by was slavery legal there in 1860, Maryland is a southern state.  If I'm going by segregation in 1950, Maryland is a southern state.

If I'm going by if country music is really popular and agriculture is big, Maryland is a northern state and Indiana is a southern state.

[minionofmidas]

Well, in 1864 the Republican party called itself (for that election), the Union party, and nominated Andrew Johnson (Tennessee) for Vice-President.

Oh yes. Funny how no one (including me)
thought of pointing him out. Might I also add, Abraham Lincoln was originally from Kentucky.

Is Indiana the South?

No.

Depends on if you mean geographically or culturally.  In terms of culture... pretty much, if you don't count Gary and South Bend.

I think that is the key.

If I'm going by was slavery legal there in 1860, Maryland is a southern state.  If I'm going by segregation in 1950, Maryland is a southern state.

If I'm going by if country music is really popular and agriculture is big, Maryland is a northern state and Indiana is a southern state.

Huh? What's agriculture got to do with the South? The states where agriculture is biggest are as a rule midwestern, not southern.
The best identifying mark of the south is an at least formerly large rural Black population.

[Mr. Morden]

Well, in 1864 the Republican party called itself (for that election), the Union party, and nominated Andrew Johnson (Tennessee) for Vice-President.

Oh yes. Funny how no one (including me)
thought of pointing him out.

Except for the first post in the thread, where I said:

"The only example that I can think of is Andrew Johnson in 1864, though obviously that's a special case, since he wasn't really a Republican."

[minionofmidas]

Who reads first posts?

[J. J.]

Huh? What's agriculture got to do with the South? The states where agriculture is biggest are as a rule midwestern, not southern.
The best identifying mark of the south is an at least formerly large rural Black population.

Traditionally, the South was agricultural, probably at least until 1960.  Further, it wasn't mechanized until after WWII, at least at the same rate as the midwest.

You really didn't see a highly urbanized Black population until well after WWII.  You had pockets, but most of my neighbors had fathers or grandfathers that "came up" from the south, generally after WWII.

It's the untold story in white America.

[minionofmidas]

Huh? What's agriculture got to do with the South? The states where agriculture is biggest are as a rule midwestern, not southern.
The best identifying mark of the south is an at least formerly large rural Black population.

Traditionally, the South was agricultural, probably at least until 1960.  Further, it wasn't mechanized until after WWII, at least at the same rate as the midwest.

Yes, of course. I was talking about current rates of agricultural employment, though.
And re Blacks - with only a handful of exceptions, Blacks in the North are and always have been overwhelmingly urban. Blacks in the South, not much more so (and until 50 years ago, considerably less so) than Whites.

[Lincoln Republican]

Republican Abrahamn Lincoln was born in Kentucky, however, his political career, and his election to the Presidency took place, of course, in Illinois.

Therefore, the GOP has nominated a candidate for President who was born in the south.

[nclib]

I hadn't thought about this until I saw this thread, though it looks like there aren't any cases. Part of this is because the pre-1960 South was reliably Democratic. But since 1960 there have been four non-Texan southern Democratic nominees (Carter, Clinton, Gore, Edwards), but none for the GOP. This will probably change this upcoming election, but does anyone have a guess why this has been true the past 50 years?

[Хahar 🤔]

I hadn't thought about this until I saw this thread, though it looks like there aren't any cases. Part of this is because the pre-1960 South was reliably Democratic. But since 1960 there have been four non-Texan southern Democratic nominees (Carter, Clinton, Gore, Edwards), but none for the GOP. This will probably change this upcoming election, but does anyone have a guess why this has been true the past 50 years?

For the first few decades, there weren't any established, electable Southern Republicans outside Texas. Nowadays, the Republicans don't need to pander to the South; they have it locked up. On the other hand, the Democrats are vainly searching for another 1976. It looks like they've finally given up.