Judaism

[Associate Justice PiT]

     I see what you're getting at now.

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

good.

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

here is a good question.

why are Christan's so mean to Jews if they are suppose to be nice to everyone?

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Explain. Are you talking about Jewish stereotypes or what? Many Christians adore the Jews (chosen people of God).

[Torie]

here is a good question.

why are Christan's so mean to Jews if they are suppose to be nice to everyone?

As a crude cut at it, Jews are off the radar screen for "Christians" at the moment, and Muslims on it, along with some the usual suspect secular humanists, but the latter is old news. In short you are referring to a rather pronounced waning rather than waxing phenomenon. JMO.

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

     Explain. Are you talking about Jewish stereotypes or what? Many Christians adore the Jews (chosen people of God).

Pit, pascel thinks jews are not the choosen people of god. He started having a fit. I asked him what was so bad and he went on a rant. It was crazy. And people get meaner to me when I say I am jewish.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Explain. Are you talking about Jewish stereotypes or what? Many Christians adore the Jews (chosen people of God).

Pit, pascel thinks jews are not the choosen people of god. He started having a fit. I asked him what was so bad and he went on a rant. It was crazy. And people get meaner to me when I say I am jewish.

     He's French. Most of the most fervent French-bashers, according to him, are Jewish. That aside, who exactly gets meaner to you when you say that you're Jewish?

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

lets see ben, India, spenser  and some people you don't know, they are friends of my moms.

[The Mikado]

Anti-Semitism in America usually has to do with Jews' apparently disproportionate power and wealth compared with their size in the population.  Like Torie says, outward anti-Semitism, especially from Christian sources, is on the decline.

Traditional anti-Semitism has to do with a deep-rooted problem in Christianity: the Jews rejected Jesus, plotted to kill him, and handed him over to the Romans.  Early Christians asked themselves, "If Jesus was the Son of God, the long-foretold Messiah, why would God's own Chosen People reject him?"  This question led to a deep-seated conviction among early Christians that the very existence of Jews was an argument against their religion.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Traditional anti-Semitism has to do with a deep-rooted problem in Christianity: the Jews rejected Jesus, plotted to kill him, and handed him over to the Romans.  Early Christians asked themselves, "If Jesus was the Son of God, the long-foretold Messiah, why would God's own Chosen People reject him?" 

well, if they were truly asking that question, they needed only to read their bibles for the answer:

Rom 11 "Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring! ...Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved."

So, God hardened the heart of the Jews thus leading to their rejection of Jesus, which enabled salvation to be preached to the Gentiles.  Once all the Gentiles who are to be saved are saved, then God will unharden the heart of the Jews so that they will then accept Jesus and thus salvation will come to Israel.

It can't get any more clear cut than that.

[© tweed]

"early Christians" didn't have a NT, jmf.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

"early Christians" didn't have a NT, jmf.

as if the Gospel can't be preached from the OT?!...if they didn't have Paul's letter to the Romans, they at least had the OT which was the basis for Paul's letter:  The story of Joseph takes up the last 15 chapters of Genesis...so the dude is quite important.

Where the sons of Jacob rejected by God because they rejected Joseph?  Not at all, rather it was because of their rejection that Joseph was sent to the Gentiles to provide salvation to the Gentiles, and, after he provided salvation to the Gentiles, he then also provided salvation to the sons of Jacob who had rejected him.

[© tweed]

you cited Romans...


and are you saying the Law of Moses was still valid in the interval between the death of Jesus and the compiling of the NT?

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

you cited Romans...


and are you saying the Law of Moses was still valid in the interval between the death of Jesus and the compiling of the NT?

huh?!

yes, I cited Romans...and Romans cites the OT...and I stated that the Gospel can be preached out of the OT...

...all of which has nothing to do with the fact that the Law of Moses was superceded by the New Covenant at the moment of Christ's death upon the cross.

[© tweed]

my issue came from you citing a passage in the NT and saying that early Christians should have "read their bibles" when no such "bibles" existed at the time.  it's a slight inconsistency is all.  I'm not disputing the the fact that the NT is rooted in the OT.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

my issue came from you citing a passage in the NT and saying that early Christians should have "read their bibles" when no such "bibles" existed at the time.  it's a slight inconsistency is all.  I'm not disputing the the fact that the NT is rooted in the OT.

ok, I intially didn't know how "early" you meant by "early Christians"

[© tweed]

my issue came from you citing a passage in the NT and saying that early Christians should have "read their bibles" when no such "bibles" existed at the time.  it's a slight inconsistency is all.  I'm not disputing the the fact that the NT is rooted in the OT.

ok, I intially didn't know how "early" you meant by "early Christians"

the phrase usually refers to Christianity between the crucifixion and the First Council of Niacea.  much like "Bolshevist Russia" refers to the period between the October Revolution and the formation of the Soviet Union.  the NT wasn't even fully compiled for a few centuries after the Council, though some / a lot of the texts that would eventually would find their way into the NT were floating around for those who knew where to look.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Is somebody whose mother is Jewish always considered a Jew, or do they have to make a decision to accept the law to become Jewish?

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

If the mom is Jewish they are a Jew, but not considered one in the temple. Not till they get baptized. Basically they are not going to get a botmitzah or batmitzhah until they are baptized.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Is somebody whose mother is Jewish always considered a Jew, or do they have to make a decision to accept the law to become Jewish?

The Orthodox consider anyone who's mother was a Jew a Jew.

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

basically. If the mom is Orthodox the child will have been baptised since she or she was one.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

basically. If the mom is Orthodox the child will have been baptised since she or she was one.

We don't have baptism.

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

basically. If the mom is Orthodox the child will have been baptised since she or she was one.

We don't have baptism.

huh I don't understand your statment.

[Alcon]

basically. If the mom is Orthodox the child will have been baptised since she or she was one.

We don't have baptism.

huh I don't understand your statment.

Jews don't practice baptism.  They practice a water cleansing ritual, mivkah, but it's not equivalent.  More similar is the hand-washing practices, which in the Bible used the same word as "baptism."  They're still not the same thing, though.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I laughed. I'm so sorry.  At least the word "baptism" was used rather than "christened"...