2008 if Bush wins/loses

[Gabu]

I'm sure Nader's most devoted followers would want him to run until he died.

I kinda doubt Nader will, however.

[Keystone Phil]

I'm sure Nader's most devoted followers would want him to run until he died.

I kinda doubt Nader will, however.

Ok maybe I am the only one that thinks this but tell me what you think...

Nader drops out. He is no longer running for President and he endorses Kerry. The Dems are so happy with Nader's move and to thank him, maybe they help him in a run for Congress or something as a Democrat, of course. Does anyone think that could happen in the future or do the Dems dislike him so much that they would never associate themselves with him?

[Keystone Phil]

In my opinion 08 looks bleak.  Frist looks like my bet now. .

If Edwards is the Dem nominee in '08, Frist would be our best candidate. He would be able to keep the south Republican and would perform well in swing states like PA, FL, and WI where healthcare issues are usually near the top of the issues list. (Frist being a doctor helps a lot on that issue.)

[Gabu]

I'm sure Nader's most devoted followers would want him to run until he died.

I kinda doubt Nader will, however.

Ok maybe I am the only one that thinks this but tell me what you think...

Nader drops out. He is no longer running for President and he endorses Kerry. The Dems are so happy with Nader's move and to thank him, maybe they help him in a run for Congress or something as a Democrat, of course. Does anyone think that could happen in the future or do the Dems dislike him so much that they would never associate themselves with him?

While the Democrats certainly consider him a bother, I don't think they hate him and I think they probably would be okay with him running as a Democrat if he dropped out and endorsed Kerry.

The chances of that happening, however, are slim to none.  The Democrats may not hate him, but he sure seems to hate the Democrats.  Of course, he's been readily accepting assistance from the Republican party, who he also allegedly hates, so who knows.

[Keystone Phil]

Hey Phil, it was too bad to see Toomey lose in the primary.  Oh well.  

I know..believe me, I know...

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He would not be another Goldwater, that's for sure. The Democrats love to label him as an extremist and while it may seem like the nationwide audience might accept that, I doubt they would. Look PA is not an extremely conservative state and Santorum is not an extreme conservative. Some here buy the line that Santorum is a far right winger but certainly not the majority. 53% of Pennsylvanians approve of his job as Senator while about 28% disapprove (lowest disapproval ratings in the state. Second highest approval ratings.)

You know, the Democrats tried to label another famous Republican as a right wing extremist who shouldn't be President. That guy was Ronald Reagan. Look how far that arguement got them.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

Bush wins- Edwards/Rendell (D) vs. Guliani/Owens (R)
Bush loses- Kerry/Edwards vs. McCain/Guiliani

[IowaLibert]

Anyone here thinks Nader will run in 2008?

Would anyone know?
Would anyone care?

Obviously everyone knows and the Dems care that he's running this year.

But the question is 2008.  

If Nader continues to miss states like California and the fast-approaching New York, his vote total for 2004 falls below 1 million.  Maybe a lot below 1 million.  

He can't be the spoiler in a state where he's not on the ballot.

Even if he is on the ballot in an extremely close state that decides the election (which is a pretty rare occurance, notwithstanding that it happened last time), he may not even finish 3rd there in which case it will be difficult to label him as the spoiler (how big a story was it that Buchanan had more votes in Iowa than the Gore margin over Bush?).

In retrospect, Nader will be seen as a spent force.  He'll have no credibility if he announces in 2008.  His antics - trying and failing to pull California from Cobb, trying and failing to get the tiny Peace & Freedom nomination in California, multiple failures in Oregon, the Repubs helping him with his petitions - only add to the growing perception of him as this generation's Harold Stassen.

That said, all of the above is, as always, just my opinion.

[Citizen James]

I'm sure Nader's most devoted followers would want him to run until he died.

I kinda doubt Nader will, however.

Why not?  Perennial nutcase LaRouche runs each time around and goes nowhere.

[Gabu]

Good point.  Maybe he will.  Even at 70 years of age he still seems to have an awful lot of stamina, be that a good thing or a bad thing.

[classical liberal]

I'm sure Nader's most devoted followers would want him to run until he died.

I kinda doubt Nader will, however.

Why not?  Perennial nutcase LaRouche runs each time around and goes nowhere.

I took a politicalquiz once that put LaRouche as the candidate nearest to my views.

[The Duke]

If Bush wins:

Jeb Bush/Condie Rice (R)               283
Hillary Clinton/Bill Richardson (D)   255

A Catholic and a black on the GOP ticket brings a massive margin in the south and brings PA into the GOP column.  Bush brings Florida too.

A woman and a hispanic on the Dem ticket wins over suburbanites and hispanics.  Taking the southwest puts serious pressure on the bush ticket, but Pennsylvania makes up for it.

[Shira]

Bush wins- Edwards/Rendell (D) vs. Guliani/Owens (R)
Bush loses- Kerry/Edwards vs. McCain/Guiliani

Makes sense

[raggage]

In my opinion 08 looks bleak.  Frist looks like my bet now. .

If Edwards is the Dem nominee in '08, Frist would be our best candidate. He would be able to keep the south Republican and would perform well in swing states like PA, FL, and WI where healthcare issues are usually near the top of the issues list. (Frist being a doctor helps a lot on that issue.)

That didn't really help Dr Howard Dean in the primaries, and as Governor of Vermont, wasn't healthcare one of his priorities.

And personally I don't think that becuase Frist is a doctor he will do well in those swing states.

[MODU]

Anyone here thinks Nader will run in 2008?

He may be trying to break Eugene Debs' record. Actually that's probably his motivation for runnning this time.

Don't forget Linden LaRouche (sp?)

[MODU]

Another candidate who could possibly make a run at it is Tom Davis of VA.  He's been showing a lot of teeth lately, and making a name for himself.  Who knows, he could at least make it into the primaries.

[zachman]

Cut the Hillary talk. She's not going anywhere unless the Democratic Party is very peaceful, and that won't happen if Kerry loses.

[Nation]

Give me Mitt Romney for the Republicans, and the Republicans just get another Democratic vote in 2008  -- providing Howard Dean or Bill Richardson don't run.

[CARLHAYDEN]

If Bush wins, Hillary-Obama will be on the Dem’s ticket in 2008.
If Bush loses, Giuliani-McCain will be on the Rep’s ticket in 2008.
Hard to predict who will be on the GOP ticket in 2008 if Bush wins. Jeff?

Too early to predict 2008 nominees, but, if Kerry loses (as I expect), the Deaniacs will go crazy.

They will maintain that Kerry's pandering to moderates is what caused him to lose.

They will push for a 'true believer' in 08 and will not listen to the siren song of 'electability.'

I'd love to able at the first meeting of the Democratic National Committee after the election if Kerry loses.  It will be the night of the long knives (i.e. a real bloodbath).

[Akno21]

2008, if Bush wins.

(D) Bill Richardson/John Edwards
vs.
(R) Jeb Bush/Bill Owens

2008, if Kerry wins.

(D) John Kerry/John Edwards
vs.
(R) George Pataki/Bill Frist

2008, if Nader wins. (Hey, it could happen)

(I) Ralph Nader/Peter Camejo
vs.
(D) Al Gore/Howard Dean (If we elect Nader, we'll elect Gore/Dean)
vs.
(R) Arlen Specter/Rudy Guliani(If Nader wins, Bush will have gotten 5% or so)

2008, if Badnarik wins. (See Nader)

(L) Michael Badnarik/Richard Campagna
vs.
(D) John Breaux/Ben Nelson
vs.
(R) Bill Frist/Bill Owens

I'll stop, before I ponder what would happen if we elected Micheal Peroutka or Walt Brown.
 

[zachman]

I'd love to able at the first meeting of the Democratic National Committee after the election if Kerry loses.  It will be the night of the long knives (i.e. a real bloodbath).

They better turn right around. They don't stand for much right now, and they better start abandoning the DLC and all that is 'moderate' if they hope to win again. I'm waiting for the Democratic Revolution- when the party picks its keynote issue. Right now they don't have one. The Democrats need desperately to win in 2004 or else the party will go back to 1960 style faction politics. The changes I'd be willing to bet on:

-Feingold replaces Daschle as Senate leader.
-Democrats abandon Lieberman even more
- Moveon, ACT and other groups will field candidates for the Congress where the Democratic Party has failed.
-Hollywood starts fielding candidates for many offices across the land.
-Michael Moore will become a Congressman from Flint.

I'm not sure if I want the Democratic Revolution, but it will probably lead to a lot of long term good for the left.

[MODU]

If Bush wins, Hillary-Obama will be on the Dem’s ticket in 2008.
If Bush loses, Giuliani-McCain will be on the Rep’s ticket in 2008.
Hard to predict who will be on the GOP ticket in 2008 if Bush wins. Jeff?

Too early to predict 2008 nominees, but, if Kerry loses (as I expect), the Deaniacs will go crazy.

They will maintain that Kerry's pandering to moderates is what caused him to lose.

They will push for a 'true believer' in 08 and will not listen to the siren song of 'electability.'

I'd love to able at the first meeting of the Democratic National Committee after the election if Kerry loses.  It will be the night of the long knives (i.e. a real bloodbath).

Part of my reasoning that the Democratic party is on the verge of a split.  Just as Republicans split off to join the Constitution and Libertarian parties under Clinton.

[Keystone Phil]

2008, if Nader wins. (Hey, it could happen)

(I) Ralph Nader/Peter Camejo
vs.
(D) Al Gore/Howard Dean (If we elect Nader, we'll elect Gore/Dean)
vs.
(R) Arlen Specter/Rudy Guliani(If Nader wins, Bush will have gotten 5% or so)

Specter could never win the GOP nomination for President. He is a liberal Senator who will be in his 80s when 2008 roles around.

[zachman]

Part of my reasoning that the Democratic party is on the verge of a split.  Just as Republicans split off to join the Constitution and Libertarian parties under Clinton.

I don't think so. I think its more like stage II of the Dean Revolution is waiting to happen. I think the traditional Gephardt-Daschle-Ted Kennedy style Democrats are going to get pushed out of the party. A new generation of peace praying anti-Patriot Act Democrats is going to come to power. If there is a spin off, it won't last long and the victor will be the left wing of the party.

[MODU]

Let me throw this one out too, while I'm at it:

Jeb will never run for President.

[Wakie]

Let me throw this one out too, while I'm at it:

Jeb will never run for President.

Why do you say that?  The Bush family has already hinted around that Jeb could run in 2008.  He'd be the logical candidate to represent a 3rd term for George.