Obama Campaign Forecasts Deadlocked Race

[© tweed]

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again, if Hill wins like this....  she's done forever..

[Verily]

Oh? Did I just hear one of the national campaigns agree with me?

[© tweed]

Oh? Did I just hear one of the national campaigns agree with me?

except for the part about the convention drafting somebody new

[minionofmidas]

Oh? Did I just hear one of the national campaigns agree with me?

Now you know you're mistaken.

[Mr. Morden]

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Lol, as if anyone can project what the June delegate counts will be to that kind of accuracy.

In any case, the DNC is again trying to convince the Democratic parties of FL and MI to simply hold a new contest that complies with DNC rules, but the state parties seem determined to press forward with their demands that the delegate slates determined by their January primaries be seated at the convention:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5igrYLRrHG3P6lIbs2E7pSH0bxhvgD8UL2C384

[© tweed]

does anyone think the visual of Obama carting Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, etc. onto the convention floor in late August to break a deadlock is hilarious?

[MarkWarner08]

This is exactly what he had to do to win on Super Tuesday. Anything less than an outright delegate win would've been disappointing for Obama.

[agcatter]

Did Obama think Hillary wasn't going to take advantage of Florida and Michigan?  I thought at the time that Obama was being very naive about the Clintons when he left his name off the Michigan ballot.  He trusted Hillary not to try and seat the Michigan delegation after hers was the only name on the primary ballot?

I'm sorry, but that's the most dumbass, naive thing I've ever heard of.  Come on Barack, you're smarter than that.

[MarkWarner08]

Did Obama think Hillary wasn't going to take advantage of Florida and Michigan?  I thought at the time that Obama was being very naive about the Clintons when he left his name off the Michigan ballot.  He trusted Hillary not to try and seat the Michigan delegation after hers was the only name on the primary ballot?

I'm sorry, but that's the most dumbass, naive thing I've ever heard of.  Come on Barack, you're smarter than that.

Michigan and Florida are irrelevant . As per DNC rules, unless Clinton has majority of delegates, MI and FL won't be seated. Of course, those two states won't matter if Hillary already has the 2,000 or so delegates she needs to have the FL and MI delegates seated.

[Verily]

Oh? Did I just hear one of the national campaigns agree with me?

except for the part about the convention drafting somebody new

What else will they do? Sit on their asses and scream at each other?

[NHPolitico]

Howard Dean said that he will knock Obama's and Hillary's heads together until one of them decides to quit. He said he won't allow this to be undetermined before the convention.

[© tweed]

Oh? Did I just hear one of the national campaigns agree with me?

except for the part about the convention drafting somebody new

What else will they do? Sit on their asses and scream at each other?

one wins by a dozen or so over the other when Jimmy Carter and the like get carter onto the convention floor.

[© tweed]

Howard Dean said that he will knock Obama's and Hillary's heads together until one of them decides to quit. He said he won't allow this to be undetermined before the convention.

not his decision.  one of them just isn't going to give up if they think they can still win.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Howard Dean said that he will knock Obama's and Hillary's heads together until one of them decides to quit. He said he won't allow this to be undetermined before the convention.

not his decision.  one of them just isn't going to give up if they think they can still win.

What's the point of having a party boss if he can't do that?

[Sam Spade]

I don't know what Obama's made of, but the idea that Hillary's going to ever quit is quite laughable.

[Verily]

Howard Dean said that he will knock Obama's and Hillary's heads together until one of them decides to quit. He said he won't allow this to be undetermined before the convention.

not his decision.  one of them just isn't going to give up if they think they can still win.

What's the point of having a party boss if he can't do that?

Go criticize someone else's party system. We hate it, too

[© tweed]

Howard Dean said that he will knock Obama's and Hillary's heads together until one of them decides to quit. He said he won't allow this to be undetermined before the convention.

not his decision.  one of them just isn't going to give up if they think they can still win.

What's the point of having a party boss if he can't do that?

figurehead, fundraising, managing party between elections, etc.  it's not like this was ever supposed to happen.  and it still might not.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Howard Dean said that he will knock Obama's and Hillary's heads together until one of them decides to quit. He said he won't allow this to be undetermined before the convention.

not his decision.  one of them just isn't going to give up if they think they can still win.

What's the point of having a party boss if he can't do that?

Go criticize someone else's party system. We hate it, too

[Sam Spade]

Howard Dean was always the passive-aggressive type who's not really that great at managing situations.

[Lief 🗽]

Howard Dean said that he will knock Obama's and Hillary's heads together until one of them decides to quit. He said he won't allow this to be undetermined before the convention.

not his decision.  one of them just isn't going to give up if they think they can still win.

What's the point of having a party boss if he can't do that?

Dean's more the ideas man than the stereotypical party boss. Ordinarily I'd point to Clinton as the "party boss", though obviously being married to one of the two candidates blurs that picture.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Dean's more the ideas man than the stereotypical party boss.

Then why on earth is he your party boss?

(there's an obvious joke about an ideas-man-with-no-ideas but it's not really funny enough to justify posting)

[agcatter]

How many on this board actually believe that if she needs to seat Michigan and Florida voting delegates to win she won't try and do it in a heartbeat?

It's looking more and more each day like she is going to need it.  It will make the Ike - Taft or Ford - Reagan floor fights look like a picnic.

My prediction:  She does it and stuffs those delegations right down Obama's throat and smiles while she does it.

[Lief 🗽]

And then loses in a landslide to McCain.

[Verily]

Howard Dean said that he will knock Obama's and Hillary's heads together until one of them decides to quit. He said he won't allow this to be undetermined before the convention.

not his decision.  one of them just isn't going to give up if they think they can still win.

What's the point of having a party boss if he can't do that?

Go criticize someone else's party system. We hate it, too

Ironically, the solution is to make the apparatus of the parties stronger though that's exactly what people complain about.

[TomC]

How many on this board actually believe that if she needs to seat Michigan and Florida voting delegates to win she won't try and do it in a heartbeat?

It's looking more and more each day like she is going to need it.  It will make the Ike - Taft or Ford - Reagan floor fights look like a picnic.

My prediction:  She does it and stuffs those delegations right down Obama's throat and smiles while she does it.

Great, and then states will schedule their primaries whenever they damn well please. How about Florida's 2012 primary in Feb 2009?

This is ridiculous. If you had a teacher who said, "Okay, on Friday we're going to have a test. The score will not count as part of your final grade. In fact, I want you to agree not to study for it at all." Then on Monday, scores in hand, he says, "One of your classmates did well and wants me to count the test towards the final average so she can be valedictorian. I think I will count it."