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Boris
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« on: February 21, 2008, 10:40:59 PM »

I think some of you are missing the point.  Winning Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania narrowly doesn't help Hillary in the slightest. 

Obama leads Hillary by 160 committed delegates.

Narrow wins in the three big states nets her 35 delegates and that's being generous especially with the Texas delegate apportionment system.

Obama will come close to recapturing that many with wins where he's favored in Oregon, NC, Mississippi, Vermont, SD, Montana

Wins by Hillary in Kentucky, W. Virginia, RI, and even Indiana maybe nets  her another 35

Anyway you slice it, Obama goes into the convention with over a 100 pledged delegate lead.

No way in hell the super delegates overturn that lead.  They won't do that.  Narrow wins in the big three states won't even allow her to overtake him in the total popular vote. 

Obama wins.  It's over.

I don't think Clinton's strategy is to overtake Obama in pledged delegates, but to rather overtake Obama in the "primary popular vote." That way, she can claim the delegate apportionment system is undemocratic or whatever and persuade the super delegates not to "overturn the will of the people."
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Boris
boris78
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2008, 11:07:05 PM »

Which is basically impossible to calculate because of caucuses, how some are tallied, and systems like Washington and Texas. It's meaningless. Also Hillary's superdelegate lead is mostly because of bandwagon jumpers who endorsed her back when she was "inevitable". Will that last now?

Hence the "primary popular vote" in quotations. But in the event of Clinton winning the primary (not the caucus) votes, I'm sure they could come up with some skewed formula that indicates more people voted for her than Obama. But that's tenuous at best. So what is their strategy then? Clinton's team knows they can't overtake Obama in terms of pledged delegates. They know that the nomination will be decided by the Super Delegates, who will already be reluctant to overturn the pledged delegate counts. They obviously can't claim that Clinton is the most electable candidate.

Apparently, Mark Penn must know something we don't. Sad

Like I said, narrow wins in the big three states won't be enough for Hillary to take the lead in the overall popular vote.  She would need big wins in those states to do that.  She just doesn't have any leverage to get the super delegates to break to her.

Yes, obviously they would need double-digit wins in Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania to take the lead. Which could then translate into momentum and perhaps Hillary taking the lead in the national polls among Democrats. Or they might be counting on an Obama screwup at a debate or maybe hoping for some sort of scandal to hit him. Who knows? 
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