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Bono
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« on: September 13, 2004, 08:17:18 AM »
« edited: September 13, 2004, 08:18:16 AM by Bono »

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Bono
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2004, 05:27:21 PM »
« Edited: November 27, 2004, 05:32:03 PM by Senator Bono »

StatesRights got it right. Do we really need to repeat over and over the atrocities comitted by Lincoln before all that public school propaganda makes it out of your head?

Not even talking about the trampling of the 10th ammendment, he wanted to arrest the Chief Justice Because he questioned his strategy;
he turned a free federal republic into a centralized tyranny. The reason he pursued the war was to serve the interests of the moneyed republicans who got elected in the first place, and felt the need to control teh south economically. His army slaughtered the indians. Early on his career, he defended the constitution granted southern states the right to regulate their labor laws as the pleased. He as a lawyer defended slaveholders.
Finally, he superseed a hoorendous ammount of war crimes, in an uncostitutional war against sovereign states , exerting their constitutional right to seceed.
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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2004, 04:39:29 AM »


Can you name me a 19th Century President who didn't pursue a policy of war against some Indian tribe or another?

That's the only thing you could find?
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2004, 05:08:59 PM »

Bono, your arguments are like saying Thomas Jefferson was a slaveowner, thus he is overrated.

Lincoln will be remembered primarily for his prosecuting the federal side of the civil war and for the emancipation proclamation. All of those other things had no or negligible impact on the nation's history. These two things had a massive impact and are what create the name of Lincoln. Depending on your view of these two events, your view of Lincoln will be shaped.

I was merely arguing that he was a terrible man, who deserved to be killed, someone asked why did we hated him.
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2004, 02:46:14 AM »

Bono, your arguments are like saying Thomas Jefferson was a slaveowner, thus he is overrated.

Lincoln will be remembered primarily for his prosecuting the federal side of the civil war and for the emancipation proclamation. All of those other things had no or negligible impact on the nation's history. These two things had a massive impact and are what create the name of Lincoln. Depending on your view of these two events, your view of Lincoln will be shaped.

I was merely arguing that he was a terrible man, who deserved to be killed, someone asked why did we hated him.

I also find it unfair to apply today's politically correct standards to someone who lived even 145 years ago.  Lives have to be judged within the context of the time period in which they lived.

When you are able to apply the time's standart's to the Confederates, then we'll talk.
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