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« Reply #700 on: March 05, 2008, 12:35:35 AM »

I'm disappointed by the results of tonight. I guess there was too much Obamania.... Sad
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« Reply #701 on: March 05, 2008, 12:36:50 AM »


mwaha!

County results:

Collin: 63-36 Obama
Lubbock: 55-44 Clinton
Travis: 65-34 Obama

Looks a whole lot like the primary results, actually...
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« Reply #702 on: March 05, 2008, 12:37:17 AM »

Here's the Texas State Senate map: http://texaspolitics.laits.utexas.edu/html/leg/features/0400_04/plans01188.html
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« Reply #703 on: March 05, 2008, 12:37:30 AM »

Chuck Todd on MSNBC is saying that even if Clinton's 2 point lead in TX holds up, his best guess (because of the particular districts where each candidate won) is that Obama nets about 3-4 delegates just from the *primary* contest in TX


Oh, yes. This is clearly the more democratic system.

Is giving 100% of delegates to someone who wins 32% more democratic and proportional?

Uh, at least the person who won more votes gets more delegates as opposed to someone losing in the vote count yet obtaining more delegates.

But by any mathematical measure of proportionality the Democratic system wins out.

Sorry but I "proportionality" shouldn't mean more. Someone getting less votes shouldn't get more delegates.

Chuck Todd on MSNBC is saying that even if Clinton's 2 point lead in TX holds up, his best guess (because of the particular districts where each candidate won) is that Obama nets about 3-4 delegates just from the *primary* contest in TX


Oh, yes. This is clearly the more democratic system.

Is giving 100% of delegates to someone who wins 32% more democratic and proportional?

Uh, at least the person who won more votes gets more delegates as opposed to someone losing in the vote count yet obtaining more delegates.

Do you really want to make this argument? We could talk about House malapportionment, Senate malapportionment, the 2000 EC results...

The Electoral College is a different argument. Then again, I'm not the one running around saying how "democratic" either system is. You guys keep going on about how "democratic" the Democratic primaries are. It's ridiculous.


The votes of a greater number of people matter under our system, whereas in your system, 68% of voters don't matter at all.

At least the person who gets the most votes benefits in my system. Your system - Win more votes but lose where it matters! That's democracy!
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« Reply #704 on: March 05, 2008, 12:37:43 AM »

Harris jumps to 50% with no net gain for Obama out of it.
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« Reply #705 on: March 05, 2008, 12:38:42 AM »

Chuck Todd on MSNBC is saying that even if Clinton's 2 point lead in TX holds up, his best guess (because of the particular districts where each candidate won) is that Obama nets about 3-4 delegates just from the *primary* contest in TX


Oh, yes. This is clearly the more democratic system.

Is giving 100% of delegates to someone who wins 32% more democratic and proportional?

Uh, at least the person who won more votes gets more delegates as opposed to someone losing in the vote count yet obtaining more delegates.

But by any mathematical measure of proportionality the Democratic system wins out.

Sorry but I "proportionality" shouldn't mean more. Someone getting less votes shouldn't get more delegates.

But that's more likely in your system looking at national delegates and votes cast.
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« Reply #706 on: March 05, 2008, 12:39:01 AM »

District 8: North Dallas
District 14: Looks like North Austin or Austin itself
District 16: Dallas
District 29: El Paso
District 30: Big swath Northwest of Dallas and Fort Worth out to the Panhandle
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« Reply #707 on: March 05, 2008, 12:40:18 AM »

Travis goes up to 83%. Still no net gain for Obama (though there might have been within Travis)
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« Reply #708 on: March 05, 2008, 12:41:32 AM »

Wow, am I the only one who thought that what has happened tonight was how things would turn out? Seriously none of this is that big of a suprise, and to tell the truth I think it basically leaves almost everything unchanged. Clinton will have stopped Obama's momentum but that is basically it, I dont think she can reverse it at this point.

So tonight:
Obama big win in Vermont and I am speculating but a 1-3% win in Texas after the counting in through (only in the primary of course)

Clinton big win in Rhode Island and I am once again speculating but a moderate victory in Ohio perhaps 5-8% win

In the end for the night maybe a small net gain for Obama and as such we go into the rest of March almost the same as we entered. Personally I dont see how Clinton can catch up.
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« Reply #709 on: March 05, 2008, 12:41:52 AM »

Harris is now down to 58-41.  Once again, who knows where the votes are coming from.

Looking over the results - rural SE Ohio and industrial NE Ohio don't like Obama (I didn't say blacks, you did)  But then again, that's not too big of a surprise.

The racial voting in East Texas is hilarious.  Al's going to have to get us a map.
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« Reply #710 on: March 05, 2008, 12:43:19 AM »

So tonight:
Obama big win in Vermont and I am speculating but a 1-3% win in Texas after the counting in through (only in the primary of course)
Where, uh......where ya been, chief? We're lookin' at a 2 point loss in Texas.
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« Reply #711 on: March 05, 2008, 12:43:38 AM »

i am unbelievably hyped up about loving county, texas

Here's who they're loving:

Obama 7
Clinton 5
Edwards 5
Richardson 4
Dodd1
Biden 0


And 0 loving votes for the Republicans.
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« Reply #712 on: March 05, 2008, 12:43:46 AM »

Tarrant jumped to 71% and Clinton increased her margin.
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« Reply #713 on: March 05, 2008, 12:44:10 AM »

Tarrant jumped to 71% and Clinton increased her margin.

Bexar also jumped to 75%.
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« Reply #714 on: March 05, 2008, 12:44:45 AM »

Edwards is doing ridiculously well in the pan-handle and East Texas, no doubt due to the significant racist and sexist vote.
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« Reply #715 on: March 05, 2008, 12:45:01 AM »

Wow, am I the only one who thought that what has happened tonight was how things would turn out?

Not really.  If this makes sense at all (probably not), I expected my expectations to be much more off than they were.

Fun night, though!
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« Reply #716 on: March 05, 2008, 12:45:31 AM »

Wow, am I the only one who thought that what has happened tonight was how things would turn out?

Not really.  If this makes sense at all (probably not), I expected my expectations to be much more off than they were.

Fun night, though!

I understand how you feel.
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« Reply #717 on: March 05, 2008, 12:46:01 AM »

Another thing - if I had to guess at this moment, I wouldn't be surprised if my Hillary +3 prediction in Texas nails it...  Unless the missing areas are blacks or upper-income whites.  Hillary's been gaining a good bit in the same-day voting numbers almost everywhere.
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« Reply #718 on: March 05, 2008, 12:46:20 AM »

And now El Paso came in. Clinton u´p by another 10k.
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« Reply #719 on: March 05, 2008, 12:46:36 AM »

Another thing - if I had to guess at this moment, I wouldn't be surprised if my Hillary +3 prediction in Texas nails it...  Unless the missing areas are blacks or upper-income whites.  Hillary's been gaining a good bit in the same-day voting numbers almost everywhere.

So ARG is right too?
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« Reply #720 on: March 05, 2008, 12:47:19 AM »

FOX calls for Hillary.



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« Reply #721 on: March 05, 2008, 12:47:42 AM »

Damnit Texas. Do you ever fail to disappoint me?!
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« Reply #722 on: March 05, 2008, 12:47:56 AM »

Chuck Todd on MSNBC is saying that even if Clinton's 2 point lead in TX holds up, his best guess (because of the particular districts where each candidate won) is that Obama nets about 3-4 delegates just from the *primary* contest in TX....this doesn't count what happens in the TX caucus, which we don't know about yet.
The SoS is showing Clinton up 64-62 on the primary delegates.  She is also up 55%:44% in election day voting.  You have people who voted early two weeks ago, who you're going to try to get to come back on a cold night to a different place than where they voted the first time.  Those who voted late on election day can just stick around for the caucus.
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« Reply #723 on: March 05, 2008, 12:48:13 AM »

Hamilton County now in - Hillary's margin down to twelve.  Depending on what's out in Cuyahoga, Obama could pull it down into single digits, maybe.
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« Reply #724 on: March 05, 2008, 12:49:09 AM »

Hamilton County now in - Hillary's margin down to twelve.  Depending on what's out in Cuyahoga, Obama could pull it down into single digits, maybe.

None of Cleveland is reporting, not until 4:30 a.m.
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