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The Duke
JohnD.Ford
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« on: August 20, 2004, 12:30:48 PM »

Well, I guess I'll vote for Kerry. Tongue
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The Duke
JohnD.Ford
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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2004, 01:24:45 AM »

What would have happened if Al Gore had said that? I bet the media would have jumped all over him for that.

No they wouldn't.  That's ludicrous, and so is this thread.
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The Duke
JohnD.Ford
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2004, 12:59:22 AM »

Has any liberal on this thread ever read a book other than one by Al Franken?
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The Duke
JohnD.Ford
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2004, 05:17:09 PM »


I noticed.
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The Duke
JohnD.Ford
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2004, 08:43:46 PM »

I do not read inanity and Franken is just that.  What exactly does he get his facts straight about?

The following is a transcript of the Gore claiming that he'd been in Texas with James Lee Witt:

MODERATOR: New question. There can be all kinds of crises, Governor. A questions for you. There could be a crisis, for instance, in the financial area, the stock market could take a tumble, there could be a failure of a major financial institution. What is your general attitude toward government intervention in such events?

BUSH: Well, it depends, obviously. But what I would do first and foremost, is I would get in touch with the Federal Reserve Chairman, Allen Greenspan, to find out all the facts and all the circumstances. I would have my Secretary of the Treasury be in touch with the financial centers not only here, but at home. I would make sure that key members of Congress were called in to discuss the gravity of the situation. And I would come up with a game plan to deal with it. That's what governors end up doing. We end up being problem solvers. We come up with practical, common sense solutions for problems that we're confronted with. In this case, in the case of a financial crisis, I would gather all the facts before I made the decision as to what the government ought or ought not to do.

MODERATOR: Vice President Gore?

GORE: First I want to compliment the governor on his response to those fires and floods in Texas. I accompanied James Lee Witt down to Texas when those fires broke out.


Gore brought it up as a way of trying to co-opt credit for Bush's emotional story of consoling flood victims.  The reason it was a big deal is not that it showed Gore to be a liar, but that it augmnented his reputation as someone who felt the need to embellish stories because he lacked confidence in himself for who he was.  "I took the initiative in creating the internet" was the biggest such example, but the floods story was much the same.

Because Franken never provides this context, he lies by omission.  Because he pretends that the story got major coverage on the evening news programs, he lies by distortion (The story was at most a side issue.  The larger scandals from that first debate were Gore's sighs and his made up story about a young girl he had met on a campaign swing who did not have a desk to sit in at school).

Its good though that you've read such a diverse group of authors such as Al Franken, Michael Moore, and James Carville.  You really get a broad spectrum of opinion there.
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The Duke
JohnD.Ford
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,270


Political Matrix
E: 0.13, S: -1.23

« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2004, 08:59:33 PM »

Inanity, n.- Having the quality of being inane, or lacking in sense or meaning.

Since the James Lee Witt example falls a bit short, can you provide a second example of how Franken proves us wrong and dishonest?
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