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Filuwaúrdjan
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« on: August 25, 2004, 04:58:23 AM »

Coup attempts are BAD

Cheesy
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2004, 05:51:52 AM »

well THAT was unexpected. And it isn't even from the Onion.
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2004, 05:58:14 AM »

well THAT was unexpected. And it isn't even from the Onion.

Made me grin like the Cheshire Cat when I found out Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2004, 08:15:18 AM »

Are they going to arrest his mom as well?
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2004, 08:19:32 AM »

Are they going to arrest his mom as well?

Here's hoping Wink
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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2004, 10:39:56 AM »

Nguema needs to be overthrown, he's a brutal dictator. How dare they arrest him for this!
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2004, 02:53:53 PM »

I think it's funny that you guys are laughing at him for this. That's like Rick Santorum attempting to start a coup against Saddam's government and laughing at him becuase he was arrested. I think it's quite heroic of Thatcher.
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2004, 03:13:02 PM »

I think it's funny that you guys are laughing at him for this. That's like Rick Santorum attempting to start a coup against Saddam's government and laughing at him becuase he was arrested. I think it's quite heroic of Thatcher.
He and his playmates has to stop reading "The Dogs of War." Politics are not decided by a bunch of brave young crusaders/samurais/cowboys who beat the evil king/mogul/dictator/schoolteacher and saves the village/country/town/caravan and ride/walk/swim into the sunset Wink
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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2004, 03:52:21 PM »

Coup attemps are COOL! Smiley

Sucessful coups are of course even cooler..

Anyone ever read 'Coup D'tat, a How-to Handbook' by Edward Luttwak?
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2004, 09:53:15 PM »

Nguema needs to be overthrown, he's a brutal dictator. How dare they arrest him for this!

Agreed. Equatorial Guinea has a hideous regime, even by African standards...
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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2004, 10:50:58 PM »
« Edited: August 25, 2004, 10:51:23 PM by AuH2O »

Probably he should have worked on overthrowing South Africa's government first...
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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2004, 12:57:05 AM »

Probably he should have worked on overthrowing South Africa's government first...

Agreed.
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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2004, 06:05:43 AM »

While it's true the regime in Equatorial Guinea is dire, if you lot really think that Thatcher would have replaced it with a better one...
Can I have some of the stuff you lot are smoking please?
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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2004, 09:27:13 AM »

I don't know too much about Mark Thatcher, but if his leadership skills and ideals proceed from his mother, then i'd say he'd put in a much better government.
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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2004, 10:19:13 AM »

Mark Thatcher is a cretin and Carol Thatcher (his sister) is even worse. She looks like a common tart.
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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2004, 10:32:08 AM »

Mark Thatcher is a cretin and Carol Thatcher (his sister) is even worse. She looks like a common tart.

Why do you think that Mark Thatcher is a cretin? Before this the only time he was in the spotlight was when he got lost in that race. Because his sister looks like a tart that means she is worse? Disliking thier mother's politics is no reason to pre-judge her children.
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« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2004, 10:51:38 AM »

Mark Thatcher is a cretin and Carol Thatcher (his sister) is even worse. She looks like a common tart.

Why do you think that Mark Thatcher is a cretin? Before this the only time he was in the spotlight was when he got lost in that race.

Well... that and the whole dodgy business contracts, arms dealing etc...
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2004, 02:02:36 PM »

Dogs of War is a very cool novel. Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2004, 02:19:42 PM »

Dogs of War is a very cool novel. Smiley
I agree ( and I still think that Mr. Thatcher read it and got a bit too inspired) - what is the name of the Swedish translation? The Danish is called "Dødens Drabanter"
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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2004, 06:08:42 PM »

A little bit about that lovely fellow, Mark and his marry men Wink It's from IRIN

EQUATORIAL GUINEA: Alleged mercenary leader tells court he met Mark
Thatcher

LIBREVILLE, 25 August (IRIN) - South African authorities arrested the son
of former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher on Wednesday in
connection with a failed plot to overthrow Equatorial Guinea's president,
while the top suspect in the bungled coup was probed about his links to
the British businessman in a Malabo court.

Nick du Toit, an alleged South African mercenary on trial for plotting to
overthrow President Teodoro Obiang Nguema, told the court in Equatorial
Guinea's capital that he was introduced to  Mark Thatcher in South Africa
in July 2003 by Simon Mann, another key figure in the alleged mercenary
plot to invade the Central African country.

Shortly before Du Toit spoke, Thatcher was arrested in Capetown by South
African police and charged with involvement in the foiled plot to
overthrow Obiang. He was later released on bail of US$300,000.

Du Toit was the alleged leader of a group of 15 mercenaries that was
preparing the ground in Equatorial Guinea last March for the arrival of a
planeload of 70 other mercenaries from South Africa. The government says
they were planning to oust Obiang and replace him with Severo Moto, an
opposition leader who runs a government-in-exile from Madrid.

But du Toit and his colleagues were arrested on 6 March and the following
day the Zimbabwean government intercepted a chartered jet on a stopover in
Harare, which was carrying 70 former South African soldiers, led by Mann.
All those on board were arrested.

A court source in Malabo told IRIN that in response to prosecution
questioning on Wednesday, du Toit admitted having been introduced to
Thatcher by Mann.

Reuters and AFP, who had correspondents attending the trial, quoted du
Toit as telling the court that he met Thatcher to discuss the sale of some
helicopters which du Toit owned in Zambia and which Thatcher wanted to use
for mining operations in Sudan.

Du Toit was a former member of South Africa's special forces during the
Apartheid era. He subsequently set up a series of transport, fishing and
security businesses in Equatorial Guinea, which are grouped in his holding
company Triple Option.

He is on trial with 13 other foreigners and four Equatorial Guineans,
accused of plotting to overthrow Obiang.

The accused include seven other South Africans, some of whom worked for du
Toit's businesses in Equatorial Guinea, four Guinean employees of Triple
Option and six Armenians. The latter formed the crew of an Antonov 12
cargo plane that ran charter flights in Central Africa.

<b>Death penalty?</b>

All have been charged with conspiracy to overthrow the Equatorial Guinea
government and the illegal possession of arms and ammunition. The court
sources said all the defendants faced long jail terms amounting to life
imprisonment if found guilty.

The state prosecutor has demanded the death penalty for du Toit who is
also accused of treason. But President Obiang, who has ruled Equatorial
Guinea for the past 25 years, has said publicly that none of those
presently on trial would be executed.

The trial before a panel of three judges opened at a conference hall in
Malabo on Monday. Du Toit has so far done most of the talking under
cross-examination by the prosecutor. He has claimed that he was the only
defendant who knew about the mercenary invasion plot and was part of it.

The court source told IRIN that the trial was expected to conclude on
Thursday or Friday and this was confirmed by Amnesty International which
sent an observer to attend the proceedings.

Amnesty spokesman George Ngwa told IRIN from London that the human rights
group was by and large satisfied with the way the trial was being
conducted. However, he expressed concern that the South African and
Armenian defendants had not been provided with adequate translations. The
court proceedings are being conducted in Spanish.

Obiang, who came to power by executing his uncle in a 1979 coup, has been
widely accused of spending Equatorial Guinea's oil wealth on his own
family and friends while leaving the country's 500,000 inhabitants in a
state of dire poverty. Last week he took delivery of a new  US$50 million
Boeing 737 airliner fitted out as an executive jet.

Obiang's government has also been widely accused of human rights abuses,
including extra-judicial killings, torture and the detention without trial
of suspected opponents of the regime.

A German man who was one of the 15 alleged mercenaries arrested in
Equatorial Guinea last March died in detention 11 days later. The
government said he died of cerebral malaria. Amnesty quoted eye witnesses
who had seen the man's corpse as saying he was tortured to death.
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« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2004, 01:26:02 PM »

Nguema needs to be overthrown, he's a brutal dictator. How dare they arrest him for this!
I agree.

Nguema believes that God has given him the right kill anyone who wants etc...

In the other hand he is partner of many Western oil companies....
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« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2004, 09:13:10 PM »

 The problem is that general populace's have a very hard time overthrowing governments entrenched through natural resources like oil.  The oil government can create a solid military force and at the same time, drive the populace into the ground without any loss of funding or organization like normal governments would have.

I actually think a coup in this country is a good idea.  If it requires peacekeeping forces afterwards, then go ahead with that too.
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