New York State to Recognize Gay Marriages

[War on Want]

Why do Christians CapitaliZe so Many words That do Not need CapitaliZation?

Anywho, the function of the government is to provide for the people, in an unbiased fashion. F**k religious morals, f**k the Bible, and most importantly f**k Christianity; never has a religion brought so much death, devastation, war, and hate and yet somehow is supposed to pave the path to a perfect world. Secular morality is key in government in order to preserve human rights, point blank.

Empathy might be a good thing to have in this situation. If I said that Christians shouldn't be allowed to get married because all they are going to do is taint the image of "true" love and raise their children to be little ugly, bigot Christians, I'm sure that view would not be appreciated, nor would that opinion be shared by everyone. Sometimes we need to just keep our mouths shut when it comes to the feelings and rights of other individuals. If there is a god of any kind, I guarantee you that he's not human, therefore none of us should tell others what they cannot do when it does nothing to harm another person. Besides, the Christian faith clearly states what will happen to the world: it's gonna end. Seems like all the true Christians would want all of these "bad things" to go ahead and happen so that nobody else would have to suffer going through life as an imperfect mortal.

Yeah well f**k you, buddy!

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Christianity is mainly being used to justify the rationale behind the anti-gay marriage crusade, same with many other cultural fads. Such as using the bible to justify eugenics, anti-semitism and etc. The logic comes first than the bible.

However in the current enviornment, OMG JEBUS!!111 is all the anti-gay marriage groups have and all they are, if only they could admit that their opposition is mainly derived from cultural often irreligious (but historic) positions.

Or is that just another dodgy arguement, eh, Al?

[King]

To be fair, I've never met a homosexual who has stayed in a relationship longer than a month and having lived in the Bay Area, CA and Santa Fe, NM, I have met my fair share.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Frankly we need to get the state out of what is a religious issue and have it no longer recognize marriages of any sort.

[The Mikado]

To be fair, I've never met a homosexual who has stayed in a relationship longer than a month and having lived in the Bay Area, CA and Santa Fe, NM, I have met my fair share.

Really?  There was a lesbian couple living across the street from my grandparents who had been together for decades.  My grandmother used to invite them over for tea.  (Yes, my grandmother was of the "invite people over for tea" generation)

[King]

To be fair, I've never met a homosexual who has stayed in a relationship longer than a month and having lived in the Bay Area, CA and Santa Fe, NM, I have met my fair share.

Really?  There was a lesbian couple living across the street from my grandparents who had been together for decades.  My grandmother used to invite them over for tea.  (Yes, my grandmother was of the "invite people over for tea" generation)

Now that I think about it, I do know two lesbian couples who have been together for years.

It's the males I know that can't stay together very long.

[Ebowed]

http://fstdt.com/fundies/comments.aspx?q=40121

[jesmo]

http://fstdt.com/fundies/comments.aspx?q=40121

And.... people wonder why I am a Hillary supporting, populist-conservative Republican

[dead0man]

To be fair, I've never met a homosexual who has stayed in a relationship longer than a month and having lived in the Bay Area, CA and Santa Fe, NM, I have met my fair share.

..and I've known 6 different gays/lesbians and everyone of them was in a relationship for longer than a month while I knew them.  Many gay men are whores, but so are many straight men.

[riceowl]

haha...something i remember from a new york times magazine article about a month ago...


What does a gay man bring on a second date? What second date?
What does a lesbian bring on a second date? A U-Haul!


not that it's true...i just haven't gotten to a third date...

[Sbane]

To be fair, I've never met a homosexual who has stayed in a relationship longer than a month and having lived in the Bay Area, CA and Santa Fe, NM, I have met my fair share.

Really?  There was a lesbian couple living across the street from my grandparents who had been together for decades.  My grandmother used to invite them over for tea.  (Yes, my grandmother was of the "invite people over for tea" generation)

Now that I think about it, I do know two lesbian couples who have been together for years.

It's the males I know that can't stay together very long.

You nailed it right on the head. Men of any sexual orientation have a hard time staying faithful.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

To be fair, I've never met a homosexual who has stayed in a relationship longer than a month and having lived in the Bay Area, CA and Santa Fe, NM, I have met my fair share.

Really?  There was a lesbian couple living across the street from my grandparents who had been together for decades.  My grandmother used to invite them over for tea.  (Yes, my grandmother was of the "invite people over for tea" generation)

Now that I think about it, I do know two lesbian couples who have been together for years.

It's the males I know that can't stay together very long.

I stayed with a couple, guys my Aunt worked with in Australia, in SF. They've been together for 12 years.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

The reactions and reaction to reactions in this thread highlight a really important element here.

I don't believe Okie is a bad person because of his beliefs, although the "I respect them as creations of the almighty" bothered me a bit. You should respect other because they're human beings like you.

Equally... actually maybe a bit more, the comments which blast out the idea that this suggests faith of any kind is bad is equally stupid.

I consider myself a very strong and committed secularist, but I acknowledge the important role that faith plays in people's lives and society. Most of it, isn't bad. Charities who feed and clothe the homeless and support struggling families regardless of faith, are so incredibly important. Not the least being the comfort it bring, whether you believe it or not.

I went to church and sunday school, did the whole shebang up to being able to take communion when I was 16. But it was always on my terms, if I found something in the bible I didn't like, I said so, I didn't try to convince myself it was right. A lot of it comes from the biblical tradition of the chruch you come from - the Southern Baptists have a world-wide reputation for being hardline direct word of God poeple, I managed to get by in the last breath of mainstream liberalism in the Sydney Anglican archdiocese.

I was brought up believing that the bible was written over a long period of time, my many different writers, edited and translated and re-translated over and over again. So there's nothing wrong with treating some things as not being fact, and considering things like historical context in reading things. The bible is no different from other religious work in its make up, Jesus actually specifies when something is parable or not. But the bible is likely full parable and metaphore. Picking and choosing biblical precedent on matters like homosexuality, when ignoring slavery and corporal and capital punishment - is not treating the bible as a complete work - if you can accept that society has developed to realise the slavery and extreme physical punishment is wrong, and the bible was written in a certain time, to the standards of that society... then why is this issue probably one of the last old-testament issues (yes it's mentioned in the NT... but not to the specificity of books like Lev.) that survives?

Even if that's the case, it doesn't lessen it's teachings or it's message.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Every day I get the feeling more and more that Patterson will not seek another term

RUDY '10!

[??????????]

This thread's a hoot. Dodgy arguments *and* comically obvious hypocrisy!

Anywho, the function of the government is to provide for the people, in an unbiased fashion. F**k religious morals, f**k the Bible, and most importantly f**k Christianity;

Funny definition of "unbiased" there.

But I'm not in the government, am I? Therefore I'll say how I feel, but I don't expect the government to start burning Bibles or castrating Christians, nor would I want them to, if only for the simple fact that if it can happen to one group of people it can happen to everybody.

You're a disgusting scumbag and an ignorant ass to boot. Not surprising coming from your side of the political spectrum.

[Sbane]

This thread's a hoot. Dodgy arguments *and* comically obvious hypocrisy!

Anywho, the function of the government is to provide for the people, in an unbiased fashion. F**k religious morals, f**k the Bible, and most importantly f**k Christianity;

Funny definition of "unbiased" there.

But I'm not in the government, am I? Therefore I'll say how I feel, but I don't expect the government to start burning Bibles or castrating Christians, nor would I want them to, if only for the simple fact that if it can happen to one group of people it can happen to everybody.

You're a disgusting scumbag and an ignorant ass to boot. Not surprising coming from your side of the political spectrum.

This thread's a hoot. Dodgy arguments *and* comically obvious hypocrisy!

Anywho, the function of the government is to provide for the people, in an unbiased fashion. F**k religious morals, f**k the Bible, and most importantly f**k Christianity;

Funny definition of "unbiased" there.

But I'm not in the government, am I? Therefore I'll say how I feel, but I don't expect the government to start burning Bibles or castrating Christians, nor would I want them to, if only for the simple fact that if it can happen to one group of people it can happen to everybody.

You're a disgusting scumbag and an ignorant ass to boot. Not surprising coming from your side of the political spectrum.

Nothing compared to the ignorant BS that comes from your side of the political spectrum.

[Ban my account ffs!]

The institution of marriage has been around a lot longer than the Bible.  The only thing that has stopped gays from marrying has been being vast outnumbered by people that do not like them.

Nobody ever said the government should force Baptist churches into marrying gays... as a church, they have a constitutional right to deny marriage to anybody they wish.

But on the other side, the government has no right to bar a church from marrying gays.  As a church, they have a constitutional right to marry anybody they wish.

The government can't discriminate in this way, especially not on "traditional religious" grounds.

The government must recognize the marriage of two people, regardless of who they are.  It has nothing to do with the Bible or the Koran or any other religious book.

We are not a nation founded on the Bible.  Many of our principles stem from Christianity because those are generally good principles that promote freedom.  Banning of gay marriage or stoning adulterers is not one of those.  We are a secular nation that must recognize the freedom of people to marry the person they love, regardless of sex.

[JSojourner]

The institution of marriage has been around a lot longer than the Bible.  The only thing that has stopped gays from marrying has been being vast outnumbered by people that do not like them.

Nobody ever said the government should force Baptist churches into marrying gays... as a church, they have a constitutional right to deny marriage to anybody they wish.

But on the other side, the government has no right to bar a church from marrying gays.  As a church, they have a constitutional right to marry anybody they wish.

The government can't discriminate in this way, especially not on "traditional religious" grounds.

The government must recognize the marriage of two people, regardless of who they are.  It has nothing to do with the Bible or the Koran or any other religious book.

We are not a nation founded on the Bible.  Many of our principles stem from Christianity because those are generally good principles that promote freedom.  Banning of gay marriage or stoning adulterers is not one of those.  We are a secular nation that must recognize the freedom of people to marry the person they love, regardless of sex.

Great post, Snowguy.  I couldn't agree more.

And I find it preposterous to the point of laughability when I hear these clowns on Christian radio saying things like "the institution of marriage is under siege once again in New York" or "America's children are being recruited by radical homosexuals in supporting their lifestyle".

I'm not sure if it's pathetically sad that so many sheep actually believe that crap.  Or ridiculously funny that any thinking human being can be so stupid as to believe it.

[Smash255]

Same sex Marriage foes appear to have little options

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http://www.newsday.com/news/local/state/ny-stgay315708509may31,0,7355017.story

[Eraserhead]

Every day I get the feeling more and more that Patterson will not seek another term

RUDY '10!

Do you really want to give us such a gift?

[DownWithTheLeft]

Every day I get the feeling more and more that Patterson will not seek another term

RUDY '10!

Do you really want to give us such a gift?

Do you really think there is a better GOP option?  Who would they go with?  Peter King, Vito Fosella?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I don't believe Okie is a bad person because of his beliefs, although the "I respect them as creations of the almighty" bothered me a bit. You should respect other because they're human beings like you.

Why does that matter [qm]. So long as he respects them, I don't see a problem. He might get there a different way, but he still gets there.

[Smash255]

Every day I get the feeling more and more that Patterson will not seek another term

RUDY '10!

Do you really want to give us such a gift?

Do you really think there is a better GOP option?  Who would they go with?  Peter King, Vito Fosella?

The GOP really doesn't have a better option which shows how absolutely pathetic the NY GOP is.   Anyway, how exactly does this make you think Paterson won't seek re-election?? 

[Bogart]

In another sickening move, Gov. David Paterson (D-NY) just announced within the last hour that the state of New York would now recognize gay marriages.

I must say that I am VERY disappointed and deeply saddened by this.  I support civil unions, but I do not and will never support or recognize a same-sex marriage.

This makes 3 states I could never live in (Massachusetts, California, and now New York).

What did same sex marriage ever do to you?

But please...stay in Oklahoma...better for everyone.

It just goes against everything I believe.

Um... what is that last statement supposed to mean?

It's okay.  I think evangelical Christians are less human than the rest of us.  They're just weakminded sheep looking for a shepherd.  They just go against everything I believe.  In fact, I think the government should discourage evangelical Christianity through passive discrimination... no Evangelicals in the military.. they might offend the other "normal" people and try to spread their undesirable religion.. and two Evangelical Christians should not be able to get married... it's just wrong.  I mean, I have no good reason other than I just believe it is unnatural.

Of course everything I just said is ludicrous... but I see it as no different than opposing gay marriage. 

Like Ellen said.. gay marriage is like womens' and civil rights.  It's the same fight every time.  And the conservatives opposed to gay marriage will say "it's not at all like civil rights or womens' rights"... just like the conservatives opposed to civil rights said "it's nothing like womens' rights"... and the process goes on and on and on.


You know what goes against everything I believe in?

Watching people suffer from the totally unnecessary hate rooted in the "beliefs" of people like you.

I have never expressed "hatred" for gays and lesbians.  I've got two friends who are gay.  I just won't throw the Bible out the window and support gay marriage.  I believe so strongly in the Bible that I cannot support gay marriage.  Marriage is an institution designed by God for a man and a woman.  I cannot in good conscience support a measure that goes against that.  I totally understand there are people who don't believe in the Bible, or don't believe in that part of the Bible.  That's fine.  If my gay friends wanted to marry someone of their own gender, then I would walk to the civil union table with them, but I cannot and will not walk with them to the marriage ceremony.  It doesn't mean I don't love them, I just love my God more.

By the way, the remark about not being able to live in those three states was a sarcastic statement.  I apologize for it being taken the wrong way.

I'm sorry if you think all Southern Baptist Christians are "bigoted".  To be honest, I'd rather be called a "bigot" then to be called a "Bible compromiser".

Do you also condone selling daughters into slavery? The Bible says it's A-ok in Exodus 21:7.

I'm sure some of you have seen this, but it's very funny and along the same lines.

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.

[Albus Dumbledore]

Every day I get the feeling more and more that Patterson will not seek another term

RUDY '10!

Do you really want to give us such a gift?

Do you really think there is a better GOP option?  Who would they go with?  Peter King, Vito Fosella?

The GOP really doesn't have a better option which shows how absolutely pathetic the NY GOP is.   Anyway, how exactly does this make you think Paterson won't seek re-election?? 

The GOP would be electable here if it was more moderate and didn't soley speak for hard right conservatism in a dixie accent.