Dems (and others on the left), do you prefer to "battle" Libertarians or Fundies

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Wiki claims a lot more "factions" in the GOP. cite  But most of them overlap with big three above.  I'm just curious.  I always assumed the left would be friendlier with Libertarians than they would be with Fundies and other more "traditional" Republicans, but recently I've seen a LOT of anti-Libertarian posts.  Culminating with the thread in U.S. GP where left leaning posters are hammering Libertarians and praising Fundies.  I could have sworn that you guys have been bemoaning the Fundies as the worst thing since Hitler for the past 7 years or so, has Ron Paul scared you?  I have a theory or two as to why this is, but I'll wait and see how this turns out.

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That's an awfully narrow definition of Libertarian.  I use it more in the "classical liberal" kind of way as, I think, most Libertarians do.  No sane Libertarian would put a yellow ribbon magnet on his/her car.

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That's an awfully narrow definition of Libertarian.  I use it more in the "classical liberal" kind of way as, I think, most Libertarians do.  No sane Libertarian would put a yellow ribbon magnet on his/her car.

"Classical Liberal"? Interesting, what's your opinion on Locke's Tabula Rasa or on the Mazzinian notion of the Nation State?

I have yet to form an opinion on the idea of tabula rosa (the idea that we're born as a blank slate and must learn everything, including how to learn), but I like the idea of a nation state. 

I'd like to think that eventually everyone in the world will have all their basic human rights available to them (and protected from future bad guys with vigilance and force), but obviously we are not there yet.  In the mean time the best way to defeat tyranny is to group together as best we can to fight them.  I'm much more against tyranny than I am say, Socialism.  I don't like Socialism, but by itself it can be tolerable.  Totalitarian or authoritarian govts should never be tolerated.

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Which political group is considered open minded?

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I'm saddened by how ugly you guys look upon Libertarians.  Which Libertarians have told you they wont NO government?  I only hear that from loons.  Have you ever met a Libertarian Harry?  There are a LOT more rich Democrats than there are rich Libertarians and why would a spoiled person NOT want free things from the state?

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I'm saddened by how ugly you guys look upon Libertarians.  Which Libertarians have told you they wont NO government?  I only hear that from loons.  Have you ever met a Libertarian Harry?  There are a LOT more rich Democrats than there are rich Libertarians and why would a spoiled person NOT want free things from the state?

Yes, several of my close friends are libertarians.  Also a good number of my close friends are fundies.  We have lively political debates at times, but we usually talk about other things.

Are they spoiled and rich?

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Kill the socialists, kill them all!

And by "kill" I mean "make work".  Because to them, that is somehow the same thing.

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The old "no true Scotsman" argument.  Nice!  Don't see that one much anymore.

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But we're so selfish*, that has to out weigh people trying to shove God into the Constitution.



*I'm not saying we are.  Well, everybody is to some degree or another.  Instead of reading these words, you could be feeding the poor.  Selfish prick.

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Why do you defend fundies?

Because he fears libertarians.

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....or ignorance is bliss.

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We're much easier to dismiss if they demonize us first.

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In my personal opinion, Libertarianism is a far more dangerous ideology than politicized religious fundamentalism (though I of course oppose both).  This is mainly because Libertarianism's infantile grasp on government and its role in society manages to capture the imagination of many intelligent and talented people, something that politicized religious fundamentalism, for the most part, cannot do.

Awesome!

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Hilarious! 

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Do you think a good chunk of the knowledge gained by children comes from the NEA, PBS and NPR?  And that we'd be substantially dumber as a nation if these, ahem, great organizations were to leave us?  Sesame Street and Barney would never be seen on TV again?  Terry Gross would starve? 

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Because supporting inefficient industries is what the statistleft is all about.