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Torie
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« on: June 01, 2008, 01:16:46 PM »

It is kind of surprising that the dislike of one candidate's supporters for the other candidate that we see in the States has spilled over into PR, and apparently even more intensely. I wonder why that is.
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2008, 01:41:10 PM »

Interestingly, the PPD (Clinton-endorsing party) is strongest in San Juan and the college town I can't spell...normally Obama's best demographics.  I wonder how that will play.

Isn't the Governor PPD and endorsed Obama?

Yes, and he apparently is under indictment (election fraud I think).
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2008, 02:09:34 PM »

Maybe someone posted this already but whatever: CNN said 77% of the 78% of the voters who like Bill Clinton supported Hillary, and that comes out to 60%, so Hillary per the exit poll will win by at least a 3-2 margin.
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2008, 02:20:52 PM »

Obama also did better among those without a college degree than with...wtf Puerto Rico.

I think some of it is due to Hillary campaigning in PR, and Obama not.
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2008, 02:26:21 PM »


You can read about the allocation methods  here. It looks like Hillary will get close to two thirds of the delegates at a minimum, unless Obama voters are concentrated in key places.
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2008, 02:29:05 PM »


Even the high-end of that comes in under the low-end of most pre-election estimates.

Yep, and Hillary might have to continue using  her selective math to claim she got more votes than Obama at the end of the day. But other posters are more assiduous than I in keeping track of the numbers (which will be moot in 3-4 days anyway).
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2008, 03:14:21 PM »

Looking these places up on Wikipedia, every municipality in Puerto Rico seems to have its own anthem.  That's awesome.  I wish we had that.

What would the anthem of Berkeley, California  be I wonder?
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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2008, 04:22:46 PM »

38 delegates for Hillary, 17 for Obama. Go Hillary!  Tongue
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2008, 04:32:30 PM »

Donna Brazile seems to be secretly implying that something big will happen on Wednesday with important party folks.

I can't imagine what that might be, can you?  Smiley

Where's that friggin tape?  One wants the precious, and wants the precious now! 
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2008, 04:39:43 PM »

I've probably misunderstood something, but if each district has an even number of pledged delegates up for grabs, how come the total is 55?

The don't actually. Two have 5 delegates, and the at large delegates have  13, so the odd number wins out.
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2008, 04:56:04 PM »


19, including the mysterious order of the "PLEO." I suspect that is a branch of the illuminati.
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2008, 05:09:38 PM »

Haha, she's barely going to get a net 100k from PR.

131,000 margin if things hold steady and one extrapolates.
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2008, 09:14:19 PM »
« Edited: June 01, 2008, 09:30:44 PM by Torie »

Today's winner is Michael Barone, who predicted separately that:

* Puerto Rico turnout would hit 1 million (3/2/2008)
* All 55 delegates, and 8 superdelegates, would go to the same candidate (2/6/2008)

LOL Michael Barone is a total Clinton hack. You gotta wonder if he is on the payroll.

It might be the rules changed. I think at some point, PR went to a primary from a caucus. Barone is NOT an idiot.
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