Gay Marriage Ammendment

[Franzl]

You must not have been paying attention to Dr. James Dobson or the Reverend Fred Phelps.

Or Dr. Laura, she's one of my favorites.

[JSojourner]

You must not have been paying attention to Dr. James Dobson or the Reverend Fred Phelps.

Or Dr. Laura, she's one of my favorites.

I plum forgot about the ol' porno model...

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

No

[MasterJedi]

Yes

Why? How do gays being able to marry affect heterosexual relationships?

It has nothing to do with that. Marriage is a religious institution between a man and a women, that's the reason, nothing else. Based on other posts which others have seen I have nothing against gay people. I support gay adoption, repealing of "don't ask don't tell" and I support civil unions.

And I hope that JSojourner's post wasn't directed at me.

[Albus Dumbledore]

Yes

Why? How do gays being able to marry affect heterosexual relationships?

It has nothing to do with that. Marriage is a religious institution between a man and a women, that's the reason, nothing else. Based on other posts which others have seen I have nothing against gay people. I support gay adoption, repealing of "don't ask don't tell" and I support civil unions.

And I hope that JSojourner's post wasn't directed at me.

Marriage is a religious institution in your mind? That's fine by me. Simply have everyone get civil unions(not just the gays) and leave marriage soley up to churches.

[Хahar 🤔]

Yes

Why? How do gays being able to marry affect heterosexual relationships?

It has nothing to do with that. Marriage is a religious institution between a man and a women, that's the reason, nothing else. Based on other posts which others have seen I have nothing against gay people. I support gay adoption, repealing of "don't ask don't tell" and I support civil unions.

And I hope that JSojourner's post wasn't directed at me.

Sure as hell isn't worth amending the Constitution over.

[JSojourner]

Yes

Why? How do gays being able to marry affect heterosexual relationships?

And I hope that JSojourner's post wasn't directed at me.

Nope!  :-)

[J. J.]

I would oppose that as worded.  I would support one that says that a state does not have to recognize a marriage contracted in another state unless it is between a man and a woman of the age of consent in that particular state.

[jesmo]

Absolutely not.

Gay marriage opponents need to recognize that this nation isn't a theocracy.

^^

Why do you have such a logical position on gay marriage but still believe horrible positions on other social issues?

He's gay.

Gay and a religious rightist. Somehow, I am not surprised. Why doesn't he have a R-MO avatar?

For some reason you don't seem to understand that economic views also influence one's preference of political party. Jesmo is extremely populist. I assume, based on his left-leaning economic views, that he isn't able to go to the republicans.

Yup, you have it correct.

I am a social conservative, but more in a non-religious style, and I am not extremely left economically, but I do support universal health care, but tightened eligibility on most social programs.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Yes

Why? How do gays being able to marry affect heterosexual relationships?

It has nothing to do with that. Marriage is a religious institution between a man and a women, that's the reason, nothing else. Based on other posts which others have seen I have nothing against gay people. I support gay adoption, repealing of "don't ask don't tell" and I support civil unions.

And I hope that JSojourner's post wasn't directed at me.

no. Marriage is not a religious institution, and no church should or would ever be forced to conduct same-sex weddings if such unions violate their beliefs. However, it is immoral to force your religious beliefs on people who do not share them.

[John Dibble]

Yes

Why? How do gays being able to marry affect heterosexual relationships?

It has nothing to do with that. Marriage is a religious institution between a man and a women, that's the reason, nothing else. Based on other posts which others have seen I have nothing against gay people. I support gay adoption, repealing of "don't ask don't tell" and I support civil unions.

But who's religion? Yours? My Hindu neighbors'? Or how about the polygamist cults in Utah? Certainly not mine, given I don't have a religion. Does that mean the state shouldn't recognize any marriage I'm in, since it wouldn't be religious?

Sorry, but I can't accept religion as a reason. The US is not a theocracy, rather it is a secular Republic. (that's not to say there's no religious influence on the government's decisions, but the government itself is not religious) Marriage as defined by the government is simply a civil contract with no religious implications. Two atheists can get married in front of a judge just as two Christians can be married in front of a priest. If it was a religious institution this would not be the case.

[7,052,770]

Yes

Why? How do gays being able to marry affect heterosexual relationships?

It has nothing to do with that. Marriage is a religious institution between a man and a women, that's the reason, nothing else. Based on other posts which others have seen I have nothing against gay people. I support gay adoption, repealing of "don't ask don't tell" and I support civil unions.

And I hope that JSojourner's post wasn't directed at me.

My religion says that Jedis have to die, and since you want to enforce your religion onto others, you must be open to me enforcing mine onto you.

[Nym90]

No.

I support increasing availability to the institution of marriage so as to help promote stable relationships and reduce the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, not to mention the benefits for child rearing that the increased number of loving two parent homes would bring.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Federal constitutional amendment? No
Banning it on a state level? Yes

[Хahar 🤔]

Federal constitutional amendment? No
Banning it on a state level? Yes

Not a very libertarian position there.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Federal constitutional amendment? No
Banning it on a state level? Yes

Not a very libertarian position there.

Sure it is, I want the state government to exercise its power, not the federal government.  You can argue that perhaps limiting marriage is not libertarian, but the idea of libertarianism is to stop the flow of government, not to lead the country into anarchy.  Sometimes government is necessary, but in a very limited and not federal form.  To have a personal opinion is quite different then forcing it down the entire countries throat.

[AkSaber]

I wouldn't vote for any bill that would ban gay marriage.

[ottermax]

It amazes me how the forum votes compared to the dozens of states that have passed these sorts of amendments.

[Хahar 🤔]

It amazes me how the forum votes compared to the dozens of states that have passed these sorts of amendments.

None of them have, because Congress never has.

[MasterJedi]

It amazes me how the forum votes compared to the dozens of states that have passed these sorts of amendments.

None of them have, because Congress never has.

You don't know what you are talking about.

[Хahar 🤔]

It amazes me how the forum votes compared to the dozens of states that have passed these sorts of amendments.

None of them have, because Congress never has.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Yes, I do.

[MasterJedi]

It amazes me how the forum votes compared to the dozens of states that have passed these sorts of amendments.

None of them have, because Congress never has.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Yes, I do.

Then explain.

[nclib]

It amazes me how the forum votes compared to the dozens of states that have passed these sorts of amendments.

None of them have, because Congress never has.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Yes, I do.

Then explain.

I think Xahar was alluding to the fact this (forum) poll was in reference to a (federal) constitutional amendment, whereas the state referenda have banned gay marriage only for that state. A higher (but still small) percentage of this forum would vote to ban gay marriage in their own state.

In either case, I would agree that this forum is substantially more pro-gay marriage than the nation.

I would of course vote no.

[J. J.]

I really don't have a problem with a state doing this, but I don't have a problem with a state prohibiting it either.

[Stranger in a strange land]

It amazes me how the forum votes compared to the dozens of states that have passed these sorts of amendments.

None of them have, because Congress never has.

Most of the members of this forum are college-educated males under the age of 30, and the younger generation so far tends to tilt towards small-l libertarianism, and are far more accepting of gay people than their parents.