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« Reply #3425 on: July 02, 2012, 08:21:25 pm »
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I'm really upset that Burner is going to get the nomination.
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« Reply #3426 on: July 02, 2012, 11:05:51 pm »
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http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/07/02/re-the-littlest-pundit

haha, isn't that the kid from that fox show you guys did?
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« Reply #3427 on: July 02, 2012, 11:08:21 pm »
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http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/07/02/re-the-littlest-pundit

haha, isn't that the kid from that fox show you guys did?

yep.

We got a laugh out of that this afternoon.
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« Reply #3428 on: July 02, 2012, 11:23:59 pm »
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I got the feeling it was always his mother pushing him to be who he was... then he grew up and learned stuff.
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« Reply #3429 on: July 02, 2012, 11:32:39 pm »
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My parents never pushed religion or politics on me, or even really talked about them.
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« Reply #3430 on: July 03, 2012, 12:42:36 pm »
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I guess this got missed, but not surprisingly, the Seattle Times Editorial Board endorsed McKenna. Did they also endorse Rossi in 2008?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorials/2018563522_edit01mckenna.html
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« Reply #3431 on: July 03, 2012, 08:50:40 pm »
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I guess this got missed, but not surprisingly, the Seattle Times Editorial Board endorsed McKenna. Did they also endorse Rossi in 2008?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorials/2018563522_edit01mckenna.html


Yeah, they endorsed Rossi in both of his runs for Governor.
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« Reply #3432 on: July 04, 2012, 11:18:54 am »
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Surprised this hasn't been posted yet, but Initiative 1192 -which defines marriage as being exclusively a heterosexual institution- did not have enough valid signatures to make the ballot, which leaves Referendum 74.  
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« Reply #3433 on: July 04, 2012, 11:25:11 am »
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It was an effort to confuse voters - in order for gay marriage to pass you would have needed to vote "Approve" on R-74 and "No" on I-1192. Which would have been difficult to explain.
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« Reply #3434 on: July 07, 2012, 10:43:52 am »
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Two more initiatives are set to join the November ballot.

And here is the full list that you can expect to see when you come out and vote:

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Referendum 74: Allows voters to either affirm or reject a law passed by the Legislature this year that legalizes same-sex marriage but preserves the right of religious organizations to refuse any marriage ceremony.

Initiative 502: Legalizes, regulates and taxes the recreational use of marijuana for those 21 years and older.

Initiative 1185: Requires two-thirds support in the state House and Senate, or voter approval, to raise taxes.

Initiative 1240: Authorizes 40 public charter schools over a five-year period, to be approved and overseen by the state.

Senate Joint Resolution 8221: Modifies the state constitution to phase down Washington's debt-limit calculation, in three steps, from 9 percent to 8 percent.

Senate Joint Resolution 8223: Modifies the state constitution to allow the University of Washington and Washington State University to invest specified public funds, if authorized by the Legislature.
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« Reply #3435 on: July 07, 2012, 10:49:51 am »
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I'd vote:

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Yes
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« Reply #3436 on: July 07, 2012, 03:21:05 pm »
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Hmm, I would vote:

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No
Unsure, Lean Yes
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« Reply #3437 on: July 07, 2012, 03:56:02 pm »
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Yes
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No
No (seriously guys? Charter schools are gross)

Don't know what the last two are but if they got supermajorities in both chambers of the legislature they're probably good ideas. Lean Yes.
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« Reply #3438 on: July 07, 2012, 04:01:12 pm »
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Why is everyone here so opposed to charter schools? 
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« Reply #3439 on: July 07, 2012, 04:15:44 pm »
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Why is everyone here so opposed to charter schools? 
I don't get it either. As someone who has actually frequently been to one (Mom taught at one), I think they can be very beneficial.
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« Reply #3440 on: July 07, 2012, 04:19:28 pm »
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Charter schools misdiagnose what the problem is with our education system. It isn't overburdensome state/local rules, it's a lack of funding. Class sizes are way too big (causing teachers to become overworked and for individualized attention to falter) and the amount of pay is a deterrent for a lot of individuals who would make fantastic teachers (pretty simple concept that applies to any industry: pay people more, get better people interested in the job).

I'm all for trying out new educational strategies and methods - and I'm not saying charter schools are evil or anything (my gross comment was hyperbole), but everything that charter schools aim to accomplish can be done by making changes to the existing public school system; it's completely unnecessary to create a new system which is funded by taking public dollars away from existing schools and giving it to unelected management teams. Also, I know it's en vogue to dislike teachers' unions, but I think they have a right to organize in their workplace just like any other worker does.
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« Reply #3441 on: July 07, 2012, 04:48:38 pm »
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My votes:

Referendum 74: Yes
Initiative 502:  Yes
Initiative 1185: Hell no (beyond sick of Tim Eyman)
Initiative 1240: Undecided
Senate Joint Resolution 8221:  Undecided/don't understand
Senate Joint Resolution 8223:  Undecided/don't understand
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« Reply #3442 on: July 07, 2012, 05:41:02 pm »
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Yes
Yes
No
No
Yes?
Yes

As Meeker stated above, charter schools aren't a panacea and I don't believe they will benefit Washington. I do think they have a place... but again, not on a large scale in Washington.
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« Reply #3443 on: July 07, 2012, 05:46:01 pm »
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Referendum 74: Yes
Initiative 502:  Yes
Initiative 1185: NO
Initiative 1240: No (I personally don't care for charter schools, for many of the same reasons that Meeker stated).
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« Reply #3444 on: July 07, 2012, 09:56:12 pm »
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Meeker sold me on no on the charter schools thing, I didn't think it sounded bad because they'd all be state-ran but yeah this funding could be done better with existing public schools.
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« Reply #3445 on: July 08, 2012, 06:40:12 am »
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No
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes

Although realistically, none of the things are that big enough of  deal to me to care what the results are and I may not even end up voting.
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« Reply #3446 on: July 08, 2012, 02:36:28 pm »
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Yes
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Yes
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Yes

Although realistically, none of the things are that big enough of  deal to me to care what the results are and I may not even end up voting.

Why No on R-74?
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« Reply #3447 on: July 09, 2012, 02:29:46 am »
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Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes

Although realistically, none of the things are that big enough of  deal to me to care what the results are and I may not even end up voting.

Why No on R-74?

Never mind that, I am changing my position on it to Yes.
I am pretty socially conservative and I personally think homosexual actvity is wrong. But I've come to the conclusion just within the last day or so that it is still best to promote a marriage even when it is between two members of the same sex as it encourages monogamy and a better environment for a family if the individuals choose to adopt. Also it helps, over time, to decrease discrimination. My reason for opposing it originally is I felt it is a legal endorsement that homosexuality is to be fine and good. But in the end, even though I disagree that such activity is good or to be encouraged, I have decided it will do more good than bad to promote marriages. This was something I went back and forth on for a while now, but just last night, not long after posting that message did I change my mind.

Thinking about changing my position on the tax one too. I generally distrust the state, even though I distrust corporations just as much and am left of center, so I tend to think restricting their ability to do anything easily is generally for the best. But then didn't the 2/3 thing cause a lot of problems with California and now their in massive amounts of debt and all. And really, if the state did what I wanted them to do, they'd need to raise the taxes anyway. I want the budget producing surpluses for emergency times and I want us to have a state healthcare for all residents and reduce our higher education costs as well as invest more in improving our environment and infrastructure.... Weird to think I've drifted quite a ways from being a libertarian not more than a few months ago.
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« Reply #3448 on: July 09, 2012, 04:24:11 am »
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Mercenary: Oh, cool.  That was actually basically was I was going to argue Tongue I appreciate that you've been thinking on it.

I also agree on the 2/3 issue.  I also think it's a fairly arbitrary way of restricting governmental spending.  I think a lot of voters think that this requires the legislature to build consensus on "moderate, sane spending" but in practice it just throws a monkey wrench in the legislation process.  There's definitely plenty of people in the state who are fine with that, but it's nowhere near the percent who keeps voting for Eyman's stuff.

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The stuff I hear about charter schools is fairly gnarly.  I also understand the concern about lack of local control.  However, I'd like to look more at the vaunted Stanford study that showed that charter schools generally have worse results.  I'm a little suspicious, honestly, because if this study is as damning to the empirical case for charter schools as it's said to be, I don't understand why the reformers are so passionate about this.  Unless it's "if A is flawed, then B" thinking.

I'm glad the other ballot items are pretty straightforward, because I-1240 is pretty complicated either way (some questions about the wording)
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« Reply #3449 on: July 09, 2012, 05:12:23 pm »
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Ugh, it happened: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/07/09/dino-rossi-is-a-senator
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