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« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2008, 09:21:01 PM »
« edited: July 14, 2008, 09:22:02 PM by Andy Jackson »

Here's Part 1 of the Super Tuesday Primary Results

Montana Primary Results-23 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (43% - 11 Delegates)
2nd-Russ Feingold (38% - 8 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (19% - 4 Delegates)

New Jersey Primary Results-128 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (48% - 55 Delegates)
2nd-Joe Biden (30% - 42 Delegates)
3rd-Bill Richardson (23% - 30 Delegates)

California Primary Results-442 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (42% - 191 Delegates)
2nd-Russ Feingold (38% - 148 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (20% - 103 Delegates)

Michigan Caucus Results-134 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (44% - 58 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (36% - 45 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (20% - 31 Delegates)

Minnesota Caucus Results-88 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (41% - 38 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (36% - 30 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (23% - 20 Delegates)

Nevada Primary Results-26 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (43% - 12 Delegates)
2nd-Joe Biden (30% - 8 Delegates)
3rd-Russ Feingold (27% - 6 Delegates)

New York Primary Results-280 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (46% - 122 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (30% - 93 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (24% - 65 Delegates)

Mississippi Primary Results-42 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (51% - 23 Delegates)
2nd-Russ Feingold (37% - 18 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (15% - 1 Delegate)

Washington Caucus Results-98 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (41% - 42 Delegates)
2nd-Joe Biden (30% - 33 Delegates)
3rd-Bill Richardson (29% - 23 Delegates
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« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2008, 02:47:18 PM »
« Edited: July 14, 2008, 09:10:19 PM by Andy Jackson »

Here's Part 2 of the Super Tuesday Primary Results

Massachusetts Primary Results-122 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (42% - 53 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (31% - 40 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (27% - 29 Delegates)

West Virginia Primary Results-37 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (47% - 16 Delegates)
2nd-Joe Biden (33% - 13 Delegates)
3rd-Bill Richardson (20% - 8 Delegates)

Arizona Primary Results-67 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (43% - 29 Delegates)
2nd-Russ Feingold (31% - 22 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (26% - 16 Delegates)

Arkansas Primary Results-48 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (51% - 25 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (28% - 12 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (21% - 11 Delegates)

Florida Primary Results-135 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (44% - 61 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (38% - 50 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (18% - 24 Delegates)

Alaska Caucus Results-18 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (43% - 9 Delegates)
2nd-Joe Biden (31% - 6 Delegates)
3rd-Russ Feingold (26% - 4 Delegates)

Vermont Primary Results-24 Delegates at stake
1st-Joe Biden (38% - 10 Delegates)
2nd-Russ Feingold (34% - 8 Delegates)
3rd-Bill Richardson (28% - 6 Delegates)

Kansas Caucus Results-40 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (42% - 17 Delegates)
2nd-Joe Biden (33% - 14 Delegates)
3rd-Bill Richardson (25% - 10 Delegates)
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« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2008, 11:33:21 AM »
« Edited: July 14, 2008, 09:23:45 PM by Andy Jackson »

Delegate Tally
Russ Feingold - 791 Delegates
Bill Richardson - 676 Delegates
Joe Biden - 483 Delegates
Other - 27 Delegates
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« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2008, 12:18:06 AM »
« Edited: July 15, 2008, 07:24:38 PM by Andy Jackson »

After the Super Tuesday Primaries were over and Joe Biden would reluctantly drop out of the race, Russ Feingold would celebrate his lead in delegates as many Democrats would see that Feingold was a shoe in for the nomination as Bill Richardson would say that he would continue in the race for the presidency. With this incumbent Bobby Jindal would continue his sail towards the nomination with little opposition. Other news came from the Puerto Rico Status Referendum results for either remain a Commonwealth, become a State or become Independent from the US.

Puerto Rico Referendum:
Commonwealth: 47&
Statehood: 50%
Independence: 2%
Other: 1%

With the results, statehood would be the victor and now the official number of states would be raised to 51 states and the flag would be updated and of course the Electoral College would give the new state 8 electorals and would reset the the needed electoral votes for a presidential candidate at 273 EV's.
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« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2008, 07:06:10 AM »

Referendum, not plebiscite.
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« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2008, 12:04:52 PM »

Oh, alright thanks!
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« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2008, 12:46:04 PM »

A referendum can't win with 49%.
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« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2008, 12:50:14 PM »

SO, when will all the republican wet dreams come true?
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« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2008, 03:02:53 PM »

What percentage is needed then?
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« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2008, 03:11:19 PM »

Richardson pulls in with a 14% point victory over Feingold with his support from the minorities in Utah and the large support in some of the large cities in the state.

Utah Primary Results-30 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (57% - 17 Delegates)
2nd-Russ Feingold (43% - 13 Delegates)
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« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2008, 03:44:37 PM »


50% at least.
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« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2008, 07:15:14 PM »

Okay.
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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2008, 08:36:02 PM »

Maine was always in Feingold's camp and was an easy victory over Richardson by a 22% victory and easily gained 22 more delegates but Richardson would invest more in the upcoming 4 primaries in Illinois, Georgia, Connecticut and Hawaii on what is called "Mini Tuesday".

Maine Caucus Results-34 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (61% - 22 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (39% - 12 Delegates)
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« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2008, 08:56:52 PM »

The four primaries would be competitive with the wins ranging from a 4 - 12 point victory for either Feingold or Richardson and they would win two states each and of course split the primaries. Illinois was a competitive and Feingold would pull out a suprise victory, Georgia would be one of the more shoe in primaries and would go to Richardson by 12%. Hawaii was about the same and Richardson won it by a 10% victory. Connecticut was somewhat competitive with a nice number of former Obama supporters or "Change" Democrats and a nice number of Progressive Democrats voting for him but Feingold would win by a 5% win.

Illinois Primary Results-186 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (52% - 101 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (48% - 85 Delegates)

Georgia Primary Results-104 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (56% - 58 Delegates)
2nd-Russ Feingold (44% - 46 Delegates)

Hawaii Caucus Results-30 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (55% - 17 Delegates)
2nd-Russ Feingold (45% - 13 Delegates)

Connecticut Primary Results-62 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (53% - 34 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (47% - 28 Delegates)

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« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2008, 10:04:45 PM »

Delegate Tally
Russ Feingold - 1041 Delegates
Bill Richardson - 893 Delegates
Other - 489 Delegates
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« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2008, 06:28:00 PM »

I gotta give you credit for your creativity in your prediction.

First off, McCain won't win by that much. He'll win with only a few Electoral votes. He won't win Minnesota, NH, or Penn. Although, he will win Nevada and Virginia. As far as you popular vote it's pretty accurate. Although, Bobby Jindal won't be the running mate he's too inexperienced. Romney will be. For more info look at my 2008 map.

As far as your prediction: war with Iran will happen before 2010. Maybe as soon as before inauguration day. Think about it...
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« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2008, 07:49:52 PM »

I wonder how Iran will go. I think it could get a lot uglier than what you have stated. Then again, we have been dodging the bullet for like 65 years now. I am guessing the war will probably last 9 months and 50,000 Iranian Soldiers, 12,000-15,000 American Soldiers and 200,000 Iranian people will die in the cross-fire. Because the country is at least more uniform than Iraq, we will probably not have much of an insurgency to deal with and it would probably take a year and 2,000 American Troops to quell. If Iran is invaded, I wonder if future historians will consider this part of the war that started in Afghanistan.  I guess it would be called the IslamoAmerican War and would be considered a 10 year war that has cost 23,000 lives. At least if this war happens with no consequence, we will have run out of places to invade, save maybe Jordan/Syria.
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« Reply #42 on: July 17, 2008, 08:24:12 PM »

I wonder how Iran will go. I think it could get a lot uglier than what you have stated. Then again, we have been dodging the bullet for like 65 years now. I am guessing the war will probably last 9 months and 50,000 Iranian Soldiers, 12,000-15,000 American Soldiers and 200,000 Iranian people will die in the cross-fire. Because the country is at least more uniform than Iraq, we will probably not have much of an insurgency to deal with and it would probably take a year and 2,000 American Troops to quell. If Iran is invaded, I wonder if future historians will consider this part of the war that started in Afghanistan.  I guess it would be called the IslamoAmerican War and would be considered a 10 year war that has cost 23,000 lives. At least if this war happens with no consequence, we will have run out of places to invade, save maybe Jordan/Syria.
Well this Islamo-American War is actually still raging, with Afghanistan had begun to show some flare up's during President McCain's time but began to get worse as more insurgency began to spread from Pakistan in Afghanistan, so American troops are still in Iraq and Iran but in Iraq troops are much lower than in 2008 and 2009.
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« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2008, 01:33:03 PM »

I wonder how Iran will go. I think it could get a lot uglier than what you have stated. Then again, we have been dodging the bullet for like 65 years now. I am guessing the war will probably last 9 months and 50,000 Iranian Soldiers, 12,000-15,000 American Soldiers and 200,000 Iranian people will die in the cross-fire. Because the country is at least more uniform than Iraq, we will probably not have much of an insurgency to deal with and it would probably take a year and 2,000 American Troops to quell. If Iran is invaded, I wonder if future historians will consider this part of the war that started in Afghanistan.  I guess it would be called the IslamoAmerican War and would be considered a 10 year war that has cost 23,000 lives. At least if this war happens with no consequence, we will have run out of places to invade, save maybe Jordan/Syria.
Well this Islamo-American War is actually still raging, with Afghanistan had begun to show some flare up's during President McCain's time but began to get worse as more insurgency began to spread from Pakistan in Afghanistan, so American troops are still in Iraq and Iran but in Iraq troops are much lower than in 2008 and 2009.

So, the Iraqi War is pretty much over with 5 or 6 brigades of "advisors" and "logistics technicians" still based there. However, Afghanistan has become as bad as Iraq and is now the center of the Islamo-American War, as it was when it started. 
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« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2008, 07:19:16 PM »

I wonder how Iran will go. I think it could get a lot uglier than what you have stated. Then again, we have been dodging the bullet for like 65 years now. I am guessing the war will probably last 9 months and 50,000 Iranian Soldiers, 12,000-15,000 American Soldiers and 200,000 Iranian people will die in the cross-fire. Because the country is at least more uniform than Iraq, we will probably not have much of an insurgency to deal with and it would probably take a year and 2,000 American Troops to quell. If Iran is invaded, I wonder if future historians will consider this part of the war that started in Afghanistan.  I guess it would be called the IslamoAmerican War and would be considered a 10 year war that has cost 23,000 lives. At least if this war happens with no consequence, we will have run out of places to invade, save maybe Jordan/Syria.
Well this Islamo-American War is actually still raging, with Afghanistan had begun to show some flare up's during President McCain's time but began to get worse as more insurgency began to spread from Pakistan in Afghanistan, so American troops are still in Iraq and Iran but in Iraq troops are much lower than in 2008 and 2009.

So, the Iraqi War is pretty much over with 5 or 6 brigades of "advisors" and "logistics technicians" still based there. However, Afghanistan has become as bad as Iraq and is now the center of the Islamo-American War, as it was when it started. 
That's pretty much right, the War in Afghanistan is getting bloody and becoming a point made by the Democrats to pull out of there and all the other "advisors" troops in Iraq and Iran but this is not seen as the best idea since Iraq proved to be winnable and many Republicans hope for the same for Afghanistan.
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« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2008, 07:39:20 PM »

Delaware Primary Results-24 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (54% - 14 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (40% - 10 Delegates)
3rd-Other (6% - 0 Delegates)
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« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2008, 07:42:28 PM »

Wisconsin Primary Results-93 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (68% - 70 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (32% - 23 Delegates)
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« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2008, 07:47:23 PM »

South Dakota Primary Results-23 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (52% - 13 Delegates)
2nd-Russ Feingold (48% - 10 Delegates)

North Dakota Caucus Results-21 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (57% - 12 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (43% - 9 Delegates)
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« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2008, 03:56:46 PM »

Primaries would continue on there path and Feingold would be the major frontrunner with Richardson trailing behind but Bill Richardson would virtually be knocked out of the race when Joe Biden would endorse Russ Feingold and release all his delegates to Feingold, bringing his delegates up to 1630 and this was also not counting the superdelegates that would push him up to nearly 1750 if they were also impute and things would get worse after Barbara Boxer and Howard Dean would endorse Feingold as well. After these turn of events Bill Richardson would decide to drop out of the Democratic Nomination race but wouldn't endorse Feingold just yet. Feingold would now be the Democratic Party Presumptive Nominee and would go on to find a Vice President and this would be a easy short list and the listee's would be called the Big Seven.

-Joe Biden
-Howard Dean
-Barbara Boxer
-Mike Easley
-Wesley Clark
-Tim Kaine
-Ted Strickland


The Republicans of course had a easy primary race and would beat out Mitt Romney and several Favorite Sons for the nomination, after that all that was left was to pick a Vice President and several former choices for John McCain's VP list snaked their way onto Jindal's Vice President List. The major thing in play to pick a VP was to choose someone that was older and had "experience" in politics for some time and also bring something else to the ticket. Many names would be put forth and some would have buzz over them by the media and Jindal himself.

-Senator Rob Portman
-Governor Tim Pawlenty
-Governor Sarah Palin

-Chuck Hagel
-David Petraeus
-Senator Lindsey Graham
-Treasury Secretary Christopher Cox

-Michael Bloomberg
-Colin Powell
-Governor Rudy Giuliani
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« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2008, 05:51:48 PM »
« Edited: July 30, 2008, 09:22:21 PM by Andy Jackson »

The Republican 2012 Convention - Atlanta, Georgia
The Republicans would flock to Georgia for the Convention and the effective nomination of incumbent President Bobby Jindal and also to choose a Vice President for Jindal. After some debate the VP choice had been whittled down to a smaller list: Tim Pawlenty, Sarah Palin, Rob Portman and Rudy Giuliani were the four remaining major candidates for Jindal's VP slot on the ticket. After a while the decision came and Bobby Jindal would choose Tim Pawlenty as his VP choice, the Republican Party would support this ticket and enter the General Election.

Republican Ticket: Bobby Jindal/Tim Pawlenty

The Democratic 2012 Convention - Chicago, Illinois
Russ Feingold would now have the endorsement of the Democrats leaders and also his former rival Bill Richardson and would easily win on the first ballot and the major leader in the possible VP's for Feingold Joe Biden would be picked as the Vice President on the ticket and would accept this easily. The Democrats would be fully united around this ticket and soon they would enter General Election of 2012.

Democrat Ticket: Russ Feingold/Joe Biden

Other Conventions - Constitution, Green, Libertarian
-The Greens would nominate Congressman Dennis Kucinich for the presidency and Kent Mesplay for Vice President and this ticket was seen as the powerful third party ticket in the 2012 Election.

-Gary Johnson was another Bob Barr to the Libertarians and would hope to push the votes over 5% in the 2012 Election and to try and appease the "Real Libertarians" would have Mike Jingozian as his Vice President candidate. The Johnson/Jingozian ticket would soon face problems on the ballot as the Democrats in numerous states would sue the Libertarians off the ballot.

-The Constitution Party would nominate former 08 VP Darrel Castle and conservative journalist Jerome Corsi as his VP choice.

The "Major" Candidates of the 2012 Election

Republican Party Candidate for President, 2012

Democratic Party Candidate for President, 2012

Libertarian Party Candidate for President, 2012 

Green Party Candidate for President, 2012

Constitution Party Candidate for President, 2012
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