In a Different Texas
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 25, 2024, 10:30:23 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion
  Election What-ifs? (Moderator: Dereich)
  In a Different Texas
« previous next »
Pages: 1 [2] 3
Author Topic: In a Different Texas  (Read 22886 times)
Kaine for Senate '18
benconstine
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 30,329
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2008, 02:34:49 PM »

I may have missed this, but what do you call the panhandle of Florida that is apparently now a state?

The name for it has always been West Florida.

Thanks.
Logged
Historia Crux
Andy Jackson
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,148
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2008, 02:37:27 PM »

So the southern part of the Nebraska Territory is slave while the rest is free?
The map is right after the New Missouri Compromise so the map could change and southern Nebraska is probably going to be annexed to the Kansas Territory.
Logged
Historia Crux
Andy Jackson
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,148
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2008, 03:00:46 PM »

Bleeding Nebraska(1855-1859)

After the New Missouri Compromise was put into effect a problem arose, the southern most part of the Nebraska Territory was incorporated into slavery territory. Many Northerners saw this isn't a great problem and began to put laws into effect for the Slave portion of Nebraska to be annexed into the Kansas Territory but Stephen Douglas said that the Nebraska Territory should hold a vote to decide if they wish to be a Slave or Free territory, an ideal called Popular Sovereignty. Pro Slavery and Pro Free supporters flooded into the Nebraska Territory to vote for the rights of territory to become a Free or Slave territory, one of the Pro Free was the extreme Abolitionist John Brown. The Antislavery won the vote, but angered many Pro-Slavery and began a bloody guerrilla warfare in the Nebraska Territory over the Slavery issue. The Federal government didn't recognize the vote or the Pro-Slavery side and left the state in a bloody chaos for 4 years.
Logged
Historia Crux
Andy Jackson
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,148
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2008, 05:19:41 PM »

As Nebraska still bled from guerrilla warfare, the nation prepared once again for the Presidential Election. A new party had risen to national status, the Republican Party which championed an Antislavery ideals and was a large threat to the Whigs and the Democrats in the upcoming election. The Democrats nominated Franklin Pierce as a sacrificial goat for the election and picked Lewis Cass as his VP. For the new Republicans chose John McLean and William Dayton for the 1856 general election and for the Whigs, Millard Fillmore was nominated on the 4Th ballot after a fight with William Graham for the nomination and his Vice President was former congressman Garret Davis, a staunch Anti secessionist. The Presidential Election of 1856 would show a suprising surge of Republicans in the Senate and the House but wouldn't make them the majority.


Millard Fillmore/Garret Davis(150 EV 38% PV
Franklin Pierce/Lewis Cass(63 EV 30% PV)
John McLean/Willaim Dayton(73 EV 32% PV)
Logged
Historia Crux
Andy Jackson
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,148
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2008, 08:59:15 PM »

13Th President Millard Fillmore(1857-1861)Whig

After Millard Fillmores election to the presidency, he had to face the slavery issue as people debated through out the nation and citizens still fought a bloody conflict in the Nebraska Territory. President would recognize the Omaha Constitution, which would recognize the Nebraska Territory as a free territory and angered many southerners in the process. The Dred Scott case would be another fight with free and slave supporters over the issue of a slave named Dred Scott that had went with his master to the Nebraska Territory which was now a free territory and lobbied that since he was brought to a free territory, that he was free himself, but the Supreme Court didn't see it that way and ordered that Dred Scott was property and that his master could take him anywere he wished. Outraged poured from the Whigs and Republicans and many Whigs said that Millard Fillmore was to soft on the slavery issue and Oregon Governor Abraham Lincoln would denounce Fillmore as a "accomplice to the Slave Power". Panic would sweep the nation with the Panic of 1859 which after the Democratic took the majority in the Senate and pushed to lower the tariffs and would lead to the Panic and Treasury Secretary Thomas Corwin began to issue deficit financing for the government, which would anger the Democrats. The secession of South Carolina on December 20Th and soon many other southern states had said they would secede after the 1860 election if another Whig was elected to the presidency was another hit to Millard Fillmore esteem and he said he wouldn't run in 1860.


The hatred for President Millard Fillmore.
Logged
Historia Crux
Andy Jackson
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,148
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2008, 09:19:02 PM »
« Edited: June 18, 2008, 11:23:47 PM by Andy Jackson »


Things were going on in Texas, the slavery issue in Texas was growing in the nation and had the Lone Star party a more Antislavery while the Expansionist Party was more of a pro slavery supporter and the Texan Whig party was the middle man, putting a Union ideal to people and there message of Unionism would win them the Texan Election of 1856 when Whig Governor of Fredonia, Elisha Pease was elected the 8Th Texan President and steered the nation from the slavery issue and the possibility of any inciting rebellion in the Southern states of the United States. President Pease would also continue to map out the most western edges of the Republic and also increase the Texan military for any invasion of Texas by land grabbing Southerners from the US.
Logged
Historia Crux
Andy Jackson
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,148
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2008, 10:02:07 PM »

The multied party US Election of 1860 was a four way vie for the presidency with the Democrats easily nominating Stephen Douglas and Hershel Johnson as their nominees while the struggling Whig party had many of their supporters and leaders left for the Republican party, they would nominate a Southern Unionist John Bell and Abraham Lincoln would be picked as Bell's Vice Presidential nominee. The Republican had to pick between four major candidates, the Radical William Seward, Salmon Chase a former Democrat, Edward Bates a former Know Nothing and has little support with the German Americans that dot the western United States and Simon Cameron who was said to be to old for their nomination. The Republicans would go with William Seward and Hannibal Hamlin as their nominees as a splinter group from the Democratic party would nominate Howell Cobb and John Breckinridge under a "Leave the southern way of life alone" base. The election would have a stalemate with Seward and Douglas, the victor would have to be decided in the House of Representatives and after a long thought, both Cobb and Bell would throw there support to stop Seward under the assumption that William Seward would ignite a Civil War in the south and Stephen Douglas becomes the 14Th President of the United States.


Stephen Douglas/Hershel Johnson(110 EV 36% PV)
William Seward/Hannibal Hamlin(102 EV 31% PV)
John Bell/Abraham Lincoln(56 EV 21% PV)
Howell Cobb/John Breckinridge(31 EV 12% PV)

Logged
Kaine for Senate '18
benconstine
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 30,329
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2008, 10:31:36 PM »

Just a suggestion: instead of using yellow, use gold.  It shows up better.
Logged
Historia Crux
Andy Jackson
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,148
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2008, 10:39:48 PM »


After what some people saw as a trick to the America people, on March 4Th Inauguration Day, Stephen Douglas was officially made the 14Th President of the US, he would say in his inaugural address that he would unite the seceding southern states back into the Union, with negotiations President Douglas passed the Douglas Pact which would make slavery exist until 1894 in the United States and this infuriated the Abolitionists and the major leader was Governor Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln would return to Oregon with displeasment with Stephen Douglas would declare the famous Portland Proclamation in which Lincoln would announce that President Stephen"Little King" Douglas had made a deal wit the devil and the blood was on his hands, he would also tell that the national government had become corrupt and as it says in the Constitution "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness". He also would go on to explain that the "Little King" had shackled the basic rights of men "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". Under this unfair government, Governor Lincoln said that he had officially pushed secession through the Oregonian legislator, seceding from the Union and forming an independent Republic of Cascaidia. Soon riots in the Washington Territor would overthrow the Territorial Governor in Olympia and instating former Territorial Governor La Fayette McMullen and allying the Washington Territory with Cascadia, sending representatives to Salem and unanimously making Abraham Lincoln the President of Cascadia.
Logged
Kaine for Senate '18
benconstine
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 30,329
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2008, 10:41:01 PM »

Awesome update.  Keep it up Smiley
Logged
Historia Crux
Andy Jackson
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,148
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2008, 10:54:06 PM »

Just a suggestion: instead of using yellow, use gold.  It shows up better.
Something like this?
Logged
Kaine for Senate '18
benconstine
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 30,329
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2008, 10:54:35 PM »

Just a suggestion: instead of using yellow, use gold.  It shows up better.
Something like this?


Yes; that is much better, thanks Smiley
Logged
CultureKing
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 3,249
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2008, 11:12:41 PM »

YES! Cascadia! I always thought we would rock as a nation, does BC get to join us in this endevour?
Logged
Historia Crux
Andy Jackson
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,148
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2008, 11:16:42 PM »

YES! Cascadia! I always thought we would rock as a nation, does BC get to join us in this endevour?
Maybe? Who knows, but British Columbia is going to effect Cascadia.
Logged
Historia Crux
Andy Jackson
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,148
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2008, 11:36:57 PM »


With the secession of Oregon and the Washington Territory to form the Republic of Cascadia, under the leadership of Abraham Lincoln it was now clear there would be an American Civil War, but not over slavery but over the federal government. As numerous former slaves and Abolitionists came by the droves to Cascadia, now former US General John Pope became the Commander of the Cascadian Army and Isaac Stevens became a General in the Cascadian Army. American forces would try and quickly push through Cascadia at the Battles of Bitteroot Range and Fort Greenstone, many Mormons also came from California to aid the large number of Mormons in the Washington Territory in their fight for independence from the US. General McClellan's forces were stalling in the battlefront in Eastern Washington Territory, the Cascadian Army may be smaller but it makes up for it with good generals and the know how about the land greatly equals in the battlefield. Battle after battle still showed that the US forces were slowly moving into Cascadian land, but it would take a long time to reach the capitol at Portland at the rate they are going. After only several months at war, a ambush on McClellan's forces by a large guerrilla army decimated and shook the US troops, also General McClellan was killed by a Cascadian sniper. President Douglas would send two Generals to replace McClellan and hopefully bring a swift victory over Cascadia, these Generals were Robert E. Lee and Ulysses S. Grant.
Logged
War on Want
Evilmexicandictator
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,643
Uzbekistan


Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -8.00

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #40 on: June 19, 2008, 12:05:34 AM »

Awesome!!! I like it, I should post some stuff I wrote on another website here that is more 1800's alternate history.
Logged
Historia Crux
Andy Jackson
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,148
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #41 on: June 19, 2008, 11:29:56 AM »


With General Lee and Grant's forces only scratching into the Cascadian territory, former President Winfield Scott comes up with the Anaconda Plan, that to stop Cascadia, American forces must cut the rogue nation in two by first taking the Snake River and use that to ride it to the Columbia River, a natural border that cuts through half of Cascadia. As the US forces slog their way through Cascadia, Abraham Lincoln works out a treaty with the Natives that if they help Cascadia and eventually win the war of Secession, they will grant them a independent territory of their own, Abraham Lincoln and Sitting Bull would create the Greensun Treaty and aid the Cascadian Independence movement.
Logged
Historia Crux
Andy Jackson
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,148
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #42 on: June 19, 2008, 01:10:42 PM »

With the Civil War now drawing to its 1st year, the US forces has gotten some momentum in the war and hope to complete the Anaconda Plan and split Cascadia in two. The American forces momentum would end at the Battle of Mount Pope where the Cascadian forces led by General John Pope fought the US forces led by Ulysses S. Grant and the US forces were crushed by the Cascadian forces at the battle and had the Americans in full retreat and with their commander General Grant dead because of it, growing sentiment to the rebels and ending the war continued to flourish in the rest of the US.

Logged
Historia Crux
Andy Jackson
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,148
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #43 on: June 19, 2008, 08:03:03 PM »

After the death of US General Ulysses S. Grant, President Douglas would send a up incoming General William Tecumseh Sherman to take Grants place and fight on the Snake River campaign. President Stephen Douglas had to deal with the growing threats from the "Greencoats" or the northerners that sympathize with the Cascadian cause, many Republicans and fought bitterly with them and the Republicans and leftover Whigs in Congress and the Senate. By 1862, the war had progressed and the US soldiers were marching into Cascadia with pride after their victory at the Battle of Clark River and with this, Cascadian forces and their Indian allies fought even harder and used their guerrilla warfare to try and halt the American forces, but it does seem that the US now has momentum in Cascadia and hope to end the Civil War soon floods the American people. Also the House and Senate election occur, with the Senate remaining a powerful Democratic majority and after the Republican takeover of the House after the 1860 House elections using their Slavery banner, but slavery had cooled and hasn't an issue to many people now and what mattered was patriotism for the United States and their hopefull triumph over the Cascadian Republic. The Democrats whittle down the Republicans power in the House and take the House by a fair margin, the ailing Whigs are able to use a Unionist base to hold on to most their House seats.

House Total: 235
Democratic Party -  95(+51)
Republican Party - 80(-28)
Whig Party - 49(+19)
Independent - 11(+10)
Logged
Historia Crux
Andy Jackson
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,148
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #44 on: June 19, 2008, 09:36:34 PM »


In short time, new General William T. Sherman came into an uneasy friendship with Robert E. Lee, Lee had seen Sherman as a young General with little experience while Sherman had belief in abolishing slavery and Lee didn't much care for the abolition of slavery but both men were cunning on the battlefield. The Battle of Fort Lander was a suprising victory for the US and they also struck the Cascadian forces with revenge for the fallen Grant by killing Cascadian General Isaac Stevens at the battle. General Sherman would submit his plans for a March to the Columbia, which would be approved by President Douglas and General Sherman would engage in a furious campaign to push to the Columbia River.
Logged
Historia Crux
Andy Jackson
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,148
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2008, 07:27:56 AM »

After a year and a half of General Sherman's March to the Columbia, Cascadia had gotten even more desperate as American forces continue to force their way to the Columbia River. The Cascadian military had been largely expanded from the beginning of the war, with the creation of Indian and Black regiments and the Cascadian soldiers had been trained by several former British officers that were in Canada at the time and came down to Cascadia to "assist" in the Cascadian War of Independence. Now Sherman wishes to have a March to the Sea and a complete Total War to effectively cut the rebel nation in two and take their capitol and hopefully cripple their main government in the process, but President Douglas is very weary of Sherman's Total War and orders not to attack yet, the Election of 1864 is fast approaching and Douglas hopes to win a second term. Anyway Cascadia has gained valuable time to regroup and continue to fight against the US.
Logged
Historia Crux
Andy Jackson
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,148
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2008, 02:04:50 PM »

Democrats would easily renominate Stephen Douglas for president but they had a problem with his VP, Hershel Johnson of Georgia and replace him with a War Democrat like Daniel Dickinson, Ben Butler or Joseph Holt but Douglas would keep Johnson and a splinter group would nominate Ben Butler and Dickinson for the election. The Republican side was crowded with many "Greencoats" or northern sympathizers and Thaddeus Stevens would run on a strong anti war, anti slavery base to win the nomination and picked Benjamin Wade as his running mate, this ticket was seen as to radical and some voters would be turned away by this. The Whigs would take advantage of this and unite the Know Nothings and the portion the Republican party that was turned away by the Radical Ticket and William Brownlow was chose as the nominee and Nathanial Banks as VP. Stephen Douglas wins the election, but only with the help of the House to crown him the winner of the election.


Stephen Douglas/Hershel Johnson(130 EV 38%)
Thaddeus Stevens/Benjamin Wade(87 EV 30%)
William Brownlow/Nathaniel Banks(90 EV 32%)
Logged
Historia Crux
Andy Jackson
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,148
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2008, 06:59:23 PM »


-A Win and a Loss
After being reelected to the presidency, Stephen Douglas would put into effect General William T. Shermans March to the Columbia plan was now in effect and a ferocious attack on all sides of the Cascadian forces finally gave way to numerous victories for the US and a portion of the Columbia River was taken and Sherman's new plan, the March to the Sea had now begun with US forces taking their first steps on Oregonian soil with the Battle of the East Bend where General Pope would valiantly lead forces against the US forces led by William Sherman and Robert Lee. After the 6 day battle for only a small portion of the Columbia, it now seems that things could repeat themselves and the American forces could become bogged down in the fight for the Columbia River. Cascadian General Joseph"Fighting Joe"Hooker would eagerly command the Army of the Columbia against the US forces, attacking with lighting speed and guerrilla warfare, Hooker successfully did damage and slowed down the US forces for sometime, one of the main battle scared regiments were the 23rd Ohio Regiment, one of the casualty's was Major Rutherford B. Hayes. It was now late 1864 and William Tecumseh Sherman's total war on Cascadia had just begun.
Logged
Historia Crux
Andy Jackson
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,148
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #48 on: June 20, 2008, 11:29:13 PM »

It was early 1865 and the US forces had huge parts of Cascadia now in their possesion, the flame of Cascadian Independence was now beginning to dim and the Americans marched for the Capitol, Portland. The sweet smell of victory was wafting over the American forces as the ever more pushed into Cascadia. Cascadian President Abraham Lincoln threw everything he had against the quickly overwhelming American forces, even throwing the  Lincoln Log Infantry, a guerrilla infantry unit that was involved in holding back the American forces for some time, Robert Lincoln the son of Abraham Lincoln, was also apart of the Lincoln Log Infantry as a Major and would distinguish himselves as a rising military star. After the fall of Fort Zion and the continued attacks from the US, Cascadia was pushed further and further into their territory and Sherman's March to the Sea was working flawlessly.
Logged
Historia Crux
Andy Jackson
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,148
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2008, 03:48:33 PM »
« Edited: June 21, 2008, 05:53:36 PM by Andy Jackson »


The fight has here for Cascadia, US troops were marching towards Portland the capitol, Cascadian would throw everything they had to defend the remaining portions of Cascadia including Joseph Hooker and the Lincoln Log Infantry to stop the incoming American forces at the Battles of Albina and East Portland were the General Robert E. Lee would defeat the Cascadians and force them further and closer to Portland. American forces would surround the city on three sides with Generals Sherman, Lee and Johnston leading this three way army, after the bloody fight they would move into the city and march through the Tualatin Mountains and implace cannons and begin an bombardment of the city. Weakened and in shambles, the Cascadian forces were pushed more and more into the center of the city and soon former a defensive line around the "Green" House and fought to the death. The line broke after several hours and US forces stormed the Capitol building and captured several of President Lincoln's cabinet members but hadn't captured Lincoln himself and a hasty search for the rebel leader was on. Abraham Lincoln would meet up with General Pope's retreating forces and aim for the remaining Cascadian controlled area of Washington and only to hinder this was the continual harassment by American scout forces, but this would be a bad omen that the major forces of the America army were on their way. Planning was made by Pope and Lincoln to make a last ditch fight to try and hold off the American forces, in what could be called stubborn Abraham Lincoln wouldn't leave the Cascadian army to flee to Olympia and instead stay and give help anyway he could in the fight. This would be the last major battle in the American Civil War, the Battle of Tetawken Pass were the Cascadian forces would use a defensive line against the onslaught of the US forces, fighting for nearly a day until a suprise attack crippled the defensive line and led to the death and capture of many Cascadian troops including Abraham Lincoln. After the capture of Lincoln and much of his successors, Territorial Governor LaFayette McMullen would declare himself the acting President of Cascadia.
Logged
Pages: 1 [2] 3  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.063 seconds with 11 queries.