Obama to hold mass rally for acceptance speech at Mile High Stadium

[Albus Dumbledore]

I'm not going to the convention so I'm safe.

[J. J.]

Clearly, your correct. Saginaw isn't North Philadelphia.  However, was Philadelphia ranked the 14th most dangerous Metro area in the nation? Come to Saginaw, Detroit or Flint to see what poor economic conditions can do to race relations.

You're over analyzing the impact the Convention speech is going to have. If Obama is seen as elitist, it won't be because of the convention speech. Opening the Convention isn't going to hurt Obama. I don't think there will be any effect either way, However, I could easily make the counter-argument that the speech will likely help him because he's opening it up to non-party insiders. I think it is inconsequential either way though. 

Philadelphia was supposedly the murder capitol of the US.  No, you can come to North Philadelphia, but stay a while.  Don't drive through with your doors locked.

No, I am saying that doing the speech this way reinforces the idea that Obama is an elitist, and that is not good.

That'd be Detroit. Whatever though, you can think I haven't been in those situations when I have. I have nothing to prove to you.

It reinforces the idea for people who want to believe it. (i.e. you)

Now it seems to be Jesse Jackson as well, though I believe the term was "talking down to."  It is a problem and he's running a risk of making it worse.  If you are an Obama supporter, pray for rain.

[Flying Dog]

Clearly, your correct. Saginaw isn't North Philadelphia.  However, was Philadelphia ranked the 14th most dangerous Metro area in the nation? Come to Saginaw, Detroit or Flint to see what poor economic conditions can do to race relations.

You're over analyzing the impact the Convention speech is going to have. If Obama is seen as elitist, it won't be because of the convention speech. Opening the Convention isn't going to hurt Obama. I don't think there will be any effect either way, However, I could easily make the counter-argument that the speech will likely help him because he's opening it up to non-party insiders. I think it is inconsequential either way though. 

Philadelphia was supposedly the murder capitol of the US.  No, you can come to North Philadelphia, but stay a while.  Don't drive through with your doors locked.

No, I am saying that doing the speech this way reinforces the idea that Obama is an elitist, and that is not good.

That'd be Detroit. Whatever though, you can think I haven't been in those situations when I have. I have nothing to prove to you.

It reinforces the idea for people who want to believe it. (i.e. you)

Now it seems to be Jesse Jackson as well, though I believe the term was "talking down to."  It is a problem and he's running a risk of making it worse.  If you are an Obama supporter, pray for rain.

I don't see how anything involving Jesse Jackson attacking Obama is bad for Obama.

[Torie]

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I agree and it sucks. It should have been a love fest between the two of them. Damn. When is the Rev Wright going to publish his book?  I want it!

[Keystone Phil]

I don't see how anything involving Jesse Jackson attacking Obama is bad for Obama.

Exactly. This is a great news story for Obama.

Anyway, as I said elsewhere, this decision to break with the convention tradition annoys the hell out of me.

[bgwah]

I always read this thread as "Obama to hold mass" on the front page of the forum and it makes me chuckle.

I just thought I would mention that.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I wish he wouldn't do this, but hey, hopefully it will excite even more voters.

[Flying Dog]

I don't see how anything involving Jesse Jackson attacking Obama is bad for Obama.

Anyway, as I said elsewhere, this decision to break with the convention tradition annoys the hell out of me.

You know that John F. Kennedy did the same thing, don't you?

[Keystone Phil]

I don't see how anything involving Jesse Jackson attacking Obama is bad for Obama.

Anyway, as I said elsewhere, this decision to break with the convention tradition annoys the hell out of me.

You know that John F. Kennedy did the same thing, don't you?

Not that that convinces me that it's ok since I am no fan of JFK. Please enlighten me though. I could have sworn that he accepted the nomination in the convention hall in LA.

[Flying Dog]

I don't see how anything involving Jesse Jackson attacking Obama is bad for Obama.

Anyway, as I said elsewhere, this decision to break with the convention tradition annoys the hell out of me.

You know that John F. Kennedy did the same thing, don't you?

Not that that convinces me that it's ok since I am no fan of JFK. Please enlighten me though. I could have sworn that he accepted the nomination in the convention hall in LA.

He gave it at the L.A. Coliseum.

[Keystone Phil]

I don't see how anything involving Jesse Jackson attacking Obama is bad for Obama.

Anyway, as I said elsewhere, this decision to break with the convention tradition annoys the hell out of me.

You know that John F. Kennedy did the same thing, don't you?

Not that that convinces me that it's ok since I am no fan of JFK. Please enlighten me though. I could have sworn that he accepted the nomination in the convention hall in LA.

He gave it at the L.A. Coliseum.

Ah, interesting. Not shocking though. It makes sense that Obama, Mr. "New JFK," would do this - two insanely overrated egomaniacs trying every way they can to make themselves larger than life.

[Alcon]

I'm wondering this -- what exactly is so sacrosanct about "convention tradition"?  Is this some kind of unspoken political thing I've never heard of?  A lot of GOP folk seem to be up in arms over this.

[Meeker]

I can't believe this topic has grown this large. This may be the silliest thing I've ever heard people objecting to in my life.

Obama can fill an 80,000 seat stadium. It looks good on TV. So he's going to do it. It's really quite simple.

If McCain actually had the ability to do this he would've as well, and none of you would be saying any of the ridiculous bullsh*t you're pandering right now. Your anti-Obama hatred has grown to the point that you just try to find ridiculous crap to attack him on and then rationalize it as honest political criticism.

But if you want to carry on looking like fools, be my guest I suppose...

[Keystone Phil]

A lot of GOP folk seem to be up in arms over this.

I'd be even more pissed off if our nominee (either this year or in the future) decided to do this. Should we move the inauguration to Giants Stadium while we're at it? Or how about the State of the Union in the Superdome? Being at the actual convention makes it something. This is just makes it seem like even more of a typical rally.

If McCain actually had the ability to do this he would've as well, and none of you would be saying any of the ridiculous bullsh*t you're pandering right now. Your anti-Obama hatred has grown to the point that you just try to find ridiculous crap to attack him on and then rationalize it as honest political criticism.

As I said, I'd be even more pissed at McCain for doing this. But even if this was just "anti Obama hatred" and my desire to "find ridiculous crap to attack him on," I don't know why your type would be complaining. You've picked plenty of ridiculous crap to attack the current President for so deal with it.

[Alcon]

I'd be even more pissed off if our nominee (either this year or in the future) decided to do this. Should we move the inauguration to Giants Stadium while we're at it? Or how about the State of the Union in the Superdome? Being at the actual convention makes it something. This is just makes it seem like even more of a typical rally.

That seems more like an aesthetic concern than something to be pissed at.  It's the anger part I'm missing here.

[Boris]

Or how about the State of the Union in the Superdome? Being at the actual convention makes it something. This is just makes it seem like even more of a typical rally.

Nothing in practice differentiates a modern political convention from a "typical rally" other than the fact that the convention is nationally televised.

[Keystone Phil]

I'd be even more pissed off if our nominee (either this year or in the future) decided to do this. Should we move the inauguration to Giants Stadium while we're at it? Or how about the State of the Union in the Superdome? Being at the actual convention makes it something. This is just makes it seem like even more of a typical rally.

That seems more like an aesthetic concern than something to be pissed at.  It's the anger part I'm missing here.

Anger because it's more of his "this isn't politics as usual. We're breaking the mold!" attitude just to feed that ego. Personally, I think this 100,000 person crowd is overdoing it and while that doesn't make someone's poll numbers dip, I do think some people will be rolling their eyes at Obama trying to be Preacher Obama at his megachurch.

Or how about the State of the Union in the Superdome? Being at the actual convention makes it something. This is just makes it seem like even more of a typical rally.

Nothing in practice differentiates a modern political convention from a "typical rally" other than the fact that the convention is nationally televised.

Then don't even have the convention.

[Boris]

Then don't even have the convention.

I personally wouldn't since I find them annoying and anti-intellectual, but the candidates/parties seem to like the boost in the polls it gives them.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Here we have a 12 page thread on something that absolutely no one will change their vote over.

[Meeker]

If McCain actually had the ability to do this he would've as well, and none of you would be saying any of the ridiculous bullsh*t you're pandering right now. Your anti-Obama hatred has grown to the point that you just try to find ridiculous crap to attack him on and then rationalize it as honest political criticism.

As I said, I'd be even more pissed at McCain for doing this.

No, you wouldn't, but if it makes you feel better to think that you would, go ahead and do that.

But even if this was just "anti Obama hatred" and my desire to "find ridiculous crap to attack him on," I don't know why your type would be complaining. You've picked plenty of ridiculous crap to attack the current President for so deal with it.

Facts, quotes, examples, etc...

[Torie]

I hate this effing thread! Kill it! Do it. Do it now!

Why do I hate it? Because I agree with the loyal opposition entirely. This bitching about the venue of Obama's treating us to his soaring rhetoric of a leap of faith to hope, is total crap. Kill, kill, kill this thread. It ain't helping my team.

[Flying Dog]

I'd be even more pissed off if our nominee (either this year or in the future) decided to do this. Should we move the inauguration to Giants Stadium while we're at it? Or how about the State of the Union in the Superdome? Being at the actual convention makes it something. This is just makes it seem like even more of a typical rally.

That seems more like an aesthetic concern than something to be pissed at.  It's the anger part I'm missing here.

Anger because it's more of his "this isn't politics as usual. We're breaking the mold!" attitude just to feed that ego. Personally, I think this 100,000 person crowd is overdoing it and while that doesn't make someone's poll numbers dip, I do think some people will be rolling their eyes at Obama trying to be Preacher Obama at his megachurch.

I doubt many ordinary individuals will know that the convention was closed in the past and the people who do know won't care for the most part.

Or how about the State of the Union in the Superdome? Being at the actual convention makes it something. This is just makes it seem like even more of a typical rally.

Nothing in practice differentiates a modern political convention from a "typical rally" other than the fact that the convention is nationally televised.

Then don't even have the convention.

[Keystone Phil]

No, you wouldn't, but if it makes you feel better to think that you would, go ahead and do that.

Oh, ok. I'm glad you can tell me what I think. "If it makes you feel better to think that you would, go ahead and do that." But please try to argue why I would. I've had no problem pointing out areas where I disagree with McCain so why would this be any different?

Do me a favor and stop being a worthless hack. Stop arguing like a child with "No, you wouldn't" and nothing to back up your claim.

Facts, quotes, examples, etc...

Oh, I don't know. The fascination with blaming Bush for not going into action right away when he found out about the attacks (when he sat in the classroom for all of seven minutes!), the countless minor verbal gaffes, etc.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Clearly this is going to be the #1 issue this election. Next Gallup poll will probably find that 30% of Americans consider Obama's elitism in holding his acceptance speech in a stadium the most important issue, beating out Iraq and the economy.

[Keystone Phil]

Clearly this is going to be the #1 issue this election. Next Gallup poll will probably find that 30% of Americans consider Obama's elitism in holding his acceptance speech in a stadium the most important issue, beating out Iraq and the economy.

Who here argued that this would even be an issue? I know I'm not.