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MarkWarner08
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« on: July 15, 2008, 03:21:14 PM »

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1185304443/bctid1667900303
One of the state where this ad is running in Indiana.

According to Lugar, the ad is "accurate." Lugar also praised Obama's work on the issue and conspicuously failed to reiterate his support for John McCain.
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2008, 03:23:58 PM »

Dick Lugar is a great American.  Secretary of State anybody?
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2008, 03:33:10 PM »

If Obama wins, Lugar will have to fend off Kerry, Richardson, and Hagel for that spot.
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2008, 03:34:54 PM »

If Obama wins, Lugar will have to fend off Kerry, Richardson, and Hagel for that spot.

Lugar would be a superior choice to any of those names.
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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2008, 03:35:35 PM »

If Obama wins, Lugar will have to fend off Kerry, Richardson, and Hagel for that spot.

Lugar would be a superior choice to any of those names.

Of everyone, perhaps only Biden is more qualified.
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2008, 03:39:03 PM »

If Obama wins, Lugar will have to fend off Kerry, Richardson, and Hagel for that spot.

Lugar would be a superior choice to any of those names.

Of everyone, perhaps only Biden is more qualified.
Biden? Over Lugar? For serious?
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2008, 03:40:43 PM »

If Obama wins, Lugar will have to fend off Kerry, Richardson, and Hagel for that spot.

Lugar would be a superior choice to any of those names.

Of everyone, perhaps only Biden is more qualified.
Biden? Over Lugar? For serious?

Perhaps; both men are very qualified.  Biden was Chairman of Judiciary, which is more important than Agriculture, which Lugar chaired.
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2008, 03:42:57 PM »

If Obama wins, Lugar will have to fend off Kerry, Richardson, and Hagel for that spot.

Lugar would be a superior choice to any of those names.

Of everyone, perhaps only Biden is more qualified.
Biden? Over Lugar? For serious?

Perhaps; both men are very qualified.  Biden was Chairman of Judiciary, which is more important than Agriculture, which Lugar chaired.
True enough, by the numbers Biden can give him a run. I just fear that Biden would be prone to serious gaffe issues, certainly moreso than Lugar.
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2008, 03:44:09 PM »

If Obama wins, Lugar will have to fend off Kerry, Richardson, and Hagel for that spot.

Lugar would be a superior choice to any of those names.

Of everyone, perhaps only Biden is more qualified.
Biden? Over Lugar? For serious?

Perhaps; both men are very qualified.  Biden was Chairman of Judiciary, which is more important than Agriculture, which Lugar chaired.
True enough, by the numbers Biden can give him a run. I just fear that Biden would be prone to serious gaffe issues, certainly moreso than Lugar.

I think Lugar is more of a statesman, I was just going by the bare numbers.
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2008, 03:56:48 PM »

Lugar is qualified to be Secretary of State, Secretary of Agriculture, UN Ambassador, Vice President or President.  He is easily the smartest man on the Republican side of the aisle, and one of the nicest, too -- if that matters.

Obama has repeatedly referred to Lugar as his friend and "mentor" on foreign policy matters.

It's not exactly a secret that Lugar personally dislikes John McCain and that McCain is none too fond of Lugar. I am not sure what the original feud was about but they have not gotten along for years. Lugar may be the only Republican in the Senate who has flatly refused to endorse McCain for President.  He may still offer some sort of tepid, general endorsement of "my party's candidate for President".  But it has not yet come forth.

This has prompted some people to speculate he will not merely be a cabinet member in an Obama administration, but that he will be Senator Obama's running mate.  I certainly do not think that likely. If it did happen, it would be almost unthinkable for anyone to claim Obama is a hypocrite when he promises to change the way political business is done in Washington.  But it's just that -- when making the sausage, ugly process though it is -- you do NOT choose a member of the other party as your running mate.  Especially if that person has generally been a good soldier in his party.  Lugar has.  He's not even a moderate Republican, he's a conservative.  

Obama could do it.  Many, many Democrats would be angry.  Not the least of which would be those under consideration for the job themselves.  You think Evan Bayh might not take it a little personally that Obama chose the OTHER Senator from Indiana...from the OTHER party?  But that said, who else would Democrats vote for if Obama pissed them off in an unprecedented gesture of bipartisanship?  Bob Barr?

But never mind.  It won't happen.  Lugar is anti-choice, extremely pro-big business, a major supporter of a flat tax.  He has supported the war in Iraq from the start and he recently flip-flopped on drilling in the ANWR.  A longtime opponent, he switched his position in 2007. Lugar or Hagel -- neither is likely to be on the ticket.

You got it, though.  Secretary of State is not only likely, it's probable.  I could see Biden as Vice President, Lugar at State, Hagel as Secretary of Defense and Sam Nunn as a roving ambassador for peace, particularly on the issue of loose nukes.

That issue -- loose nukes -- has been Lugar's passion since the Soviet Union collapsed.  I interviewed him about it many times.  He was reasonably pleased with the Clinton administration's response to the issue -- though he felt more attention could have been rendered.  After Bush took office and repeatedly rebuffed Lugar and Nunn, I think he definitely soured on the neocons.

And frankly, he's right.  What happened to the old Soviet nuclear arsenal?  It ain't all in Russia. America owes both Lugar and Nunn a tremendous debt for trying to keep this issue before the world.  And we'll owe Obama a debt if he continues to seriously listen to these wise men and act on their recommendations.
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2008, 03:58:54 PM »

I would absolutely love to see Lugar as VP, but it is impossible.  He'd be a great SoS, SoD, or any other job that exists.
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2008, 05:04:17 PM »

Interesting to see this commercial being run in Indiana. Sure Lugar might be popular in his homestate which he has served for many years now, as both a United States Senator and as Mayor of Indianapolis, but I highly doubt that such an advertisement would work in Indiana, though the Obama Campaign can only hope.

If Barack Obama does defeat John McCain for the Presidency of the United States this November, I think that Senator Lugar would be at the top of his list for the position of Secretary of State. Like many of you have said, Lugar would be the most qualified candidate Barack Obama could select. Senator Lugar is a much better selection for the post than Bill Richardson, Joe Biden and Chuck Hagel combined, however I doubt that Hagel would be seriously considered for the position. I could imagine that Hagel would be considered more so for the position of Secretary of Defence in an Obama Administration than Secretary of State. However I doubt that Hagel would even be selected in an Obama Administration.
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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2008, 09:36:06 AM »

Interesting to see this commercial being run in Indiana. Sure Lugar might be popular in his homestate which he has served for many years now, as both a United States Senator and as Mayor of Indianapolis, but I highly doubt that such an advertisement would work in Indiana, though the Obama Campaign can only hope.

If Barack Obama does defeat John McCain for the Presidency of the United States this November, I think that Senator Lugar would be at the top of his list for the position of Secretary of State. Like many of you have said, Lugar would be the most qualified candidate Barack Obama could select. Senator Lugar is a much better selection for the post than Bill Richardson, Joe Biden and Chuck Hagel combined, however I doubt that Hagel would be seriously considered for the position. I could imagine that Hagel would be considered more so for the position of Secretary of Defence in an Obama Administration than Secretary of State. However I doubt that Hagel would even be selected in an Obama Administration.

I agree about Lugar, except to say Biden would be just as solid a choice.  Either way though, it's a no-lose proposition.

I also agree about Hagel -- except that if Obama wanted another Republican (and a conservative, no less) in his cabinet -- Hagel might be a logical choice for Secretary of Veteran's Affairs.  Still, I would prefer to see Lt. General Claudia Kennedy or former Senator Max Cleland in that role.
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2008, 10:00:22 AM »

This is pretty much how Obama operates - letting others do the work and then attaching his name to a non-controversial bill.  Loose nukes (is it just me, or is that an ugly phrase ... should be changed) - loose nukes, who can oppose that?  He might as well have sponsored a bill protecting babies from being cannibalized.   

I'm still waiting for the ad that demonstrates how Obama risked something that might have resulted in political setbacks.  I'll be waiting for a long time because there is none.  Obama only follows through on low-risk opportunities.  Leaders, however, do things without regard for popular opinion or personal ambition.  They do it because it is right.  That is the central difference between the Washingtons, Lincolns, Roosevelts, and the wannabes.

On every issue - global warming, taxes, immigration - Obama has not deviated from the party line.  Not once.  We should ask ourselves, is this because Obama truly believes in these things - or does he merely follow them for personal gain?  If the latter, then Obama is no leader, but a follower.

The Senator from Illinois will no doubt say that this is a distraction.  And I will say, Barack Obama himself is a distraction, a distraction from true leadership, true patriotism, true self-sacrifice, and true greatness.

So STFU Obama.

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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2008, 10:07:25 AM »

This is pretty much how Obama operates - letting others do the work and then attaching his name to a non-controversial bill.  Loose nukes (is it just me, or is that an ugly phrase ... should be changed) - loose nukes, who can oppose that?  He might as well have sponsored a bill protecting babies from being cannibalized.   



If the matter of containing loose nukes is such a no-brainer, why has conservative Republican Richard Lugar been so vocally critical of his own President for neglecting the issue?

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