"the Antichrist" teaching is a myth

[prophetman]

In Daniel 12:4 the angel told Daniel to "shut up the words of his book, and seal it even to the time of the end", meaning that the prophetic scriptures contained therein COULD NOT be understood until THE TIME OF THE END, after those scriptures had come to pass.
And yet, some 300-400 years ago our Protestant forefathers created a myth out of those scriptures which today is still accepted as truth.
 
The myth of which I refer is "the Antichrist" teaching......the teaching which says that, sometime in the future a false messiah called "the Antichrist" will arise, and will sign a peace treaty with Israel.  And that, he will take away the (yet to be reinstated animal sacrifices), and will sit down in a (yet to be built) temple in Jerusalem, and claim to be God.

Problem is, the prophetic scriptures say nothing at all about a coming false messiah, nor is the word "Antichrist" found anywhere in the prophetic scriptures.
Nor do the prophetic sacriptures say anything about a peace treaty with Israel, nor about animal sacrifices, nor about a rebuilt Jewish temple.

The early Protestants; john Darby and others,  simply ignored Dan.12:4, and by adding to the scriptures they created their own version of end-time events.  Sadly, it's the version which the whole Christian world has come to believe.

The bottom line of all the end-time scriptures is this:
"The Second Coming of Christ cannot occur until America falls away, and black Americans exalt themselves above the white Americans and above God." 
 

[Joe Republic]

Somewhere in the world, a subway station is missing its hobo.

[Flying Dog]

[12th Doctor]

Ummmmmm... what?  Even if some of what you say is true, I fail to see how you justify the logical leap that you take to reach your conclusion.

[Hash]

Oh crap, retard's back.

[Alcon]

Somewhere in the world, a subway station is missing its hobo.

Inebriate-Americans deserve better than your libel.

[Reluctant Republican]

I don’t know if the antichrist is real. I was listening to Coast to Coast one night a few years ago and the women on said this Middle eastern fellow was the guy. It was creepy, since apparently his followers worship him as a God. But I’ve also heard that the antiChrist is supposed to be Romanian. And recently I’ve heard Tony Blair and Barack Obama could be the antiChrist, which I do not believe. So, I don’t know if there is one or will be one.

But I think the OP is way off in his point, of course. Seems to be putting his own spin on it.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Problem is, the prophetic scriptures say nothing at all about a coming false messiah, nor is the word "Antichrist" found anywhere in the prophetic scriptures.

Mat 24:24 "false Christs"

Mark 13:22 "false Christs"

1John 2:18 "you have heard that the antiChrist is coming"

1John 4:3 "every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antiChrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."

[12th Doctor]

Problem is, the prophetic scriptures say nothing at all about a coming false messiah, nor is the word "Antichrist" found anywhere in the prophetic scriptures.

Mat 24:24 "false Christs"

Mark 13:22 "false Christs"

1John 2:18 "you have heard that the antiChrist is coming"

1John 4:3 "every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antiChrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."

I was going to go hunting for those, but I figured it wasn't worth wasting my time.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Problem is, the prophetic scriptures say nothing at all about a coming false messiah, nor is the word "Antichrist" found anywhere in the prophetic scriptures.

Mat 24:24 "false Christs"

Mark 13:22 "false Christs"

1John 2:18 "you have heard that the antiChrist is coming"

1John 4:3 "every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antiChrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."

I was going to go hunting for those, but I figured it wasn't worth wasting my time.

there's a 99.9% chance that we are wasting time with prophetman

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The Anti-Christ is no one individual. The Anti-Christ is any person who denies Christ and his teachings.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Problem is, the prophetic scriptures say nothing at all about a coming false messiah, nor is the word "Antichrist" found anywhere in the prophetic scriptures.

Mat 24:24 "false Christs"

Mark 13:22 "false Christs"

1John 2:18 "you have heard that the antiChrist is coming"

1John 4:3 "every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antiChrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."

I was going to go hunting for those, but I figured it wasn't worth wasting my time.

there's a 99.9% chance that we are wasting time with prophetman

     Strongly agreed. I have a strong feeling that next he'll tell us that the New Testament (except for Revelations since he's so obsessed with it) is one long acid trip & should be ignored.

[prophetman]

The Anti-Christ is no one individual. The Anti-Christ is any person who denies Christ and his teachings.

You're absolutely right.

The antichrists spoken of in 1st and 2nd John has no relavance whatsoever to the man of lawlessness  in 11Thes.2.

Our Protestant forefathers actually went outside the prophetic scriptures and borrowed the term from 1st and 2nd John, and applied it to the man of lawlessness.

Had they been mindful of the prophetic scriptures they would have recognized that the man of lawlessness is that "ten horns" that are upon Babylon in Revelation 17, and thus COULD NOT be one individual man.

But, because of their consuming hatred for the Catholic Church and for the Pope, they simply had to find terms in the prophetic scriptures which would fit those 2 entities.  Thus, they applied the term "harlot" to the Catholic Church, and the term "Antichrist" to the Pope.

Sadly, that hatred is still alive and well today in many of the Evangelical and Pentacostal churches of America. 

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

a) on day release?

b) what the hell does AMERICA have to do with this?

[prophetman]

Problem is, the prophetic scriptures say nothing at all about a coming false messiah, nor is the word "Antichrist" found anywhere in the prophetic scriptures.

Mat 24:24 "false Christs"

Mark 13:22 "false Christs"

1John 2:18 "you have heard that the antiChrist is coming"

1John 4:3 "every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antiChrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."

Adding even the word "the" can change the whole meaning of scriptures.

And that is precisely what the author(s) did with that corrupted "One World, New Age" Bible which you are reading from.

The King James says, "Little children, it is the last time, and as you have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists....."  (1John 2:18)

And yet, your corrupted translation says, "you have heard that "the" antichrist is coming."

Sad....really sad.

[Associate Justice PiT]

The Anti-Christ is no one individual. The Anti-Christ is any person who denies Christ and his teachings.

You're absolutely right.

The antichrists spoken of in 1st and 2nd John has no relavance whatsoever to the man of lawlessness  in 11Thes.2.

Our Protestant forefathers actually went outside the prophetic scriptures and borrowed the term from 1st and 2nd John, and applied it to the man of lawlessness.

Had they been mindful of the prophetic scriptures they would have recognized that the man of lawlessness is that "ten horns" that are upon Babylon in Revelation 17, and thus COULD NOT be one individual man.

But, because of their consuming hatred for the Catholic Church and for the Pope, they simply had to find terms in the prophetic scriptures which would fit those 2 entities.  Thus, they applied the term "harlot" to the Catholic Church, and the term "Antichrist" to the Pope.

Sadly, that hatred is still alive and well today in many of the Evangelical and Pentacostal churches of America. 

     Wait, did you just say that African-Americans=the man of lawlessness?

     Did you also use the number of horns as proof that they do not refer to an individual? By your logic then, the ten horns could not be African-Americans since last time I checked, there are more than ten African-Americans.

     Wait, so you mean that African-Americans deny Christ & his teachings? Guess all those historically black churches are not what they seem.

     Seriously though, could you try to be internally consistent with your arguments?

[John Dibble]

Let's face it - this guy only drew the conclusions he did because of his racism. I can't see any way you could draw them otherwise.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Let's face it - this guy only drew the conclusions he did because of his racism. I can't see any way you could draw them otherwise.

     Fortunately though, no one ever taught him how to hide his racism.

[prophetman]

Ummmmmm... what?  Even if some of what you say is true, I fail to see how you justify the logical leap that you take to reach your conclusion.

When you take into account everything that's said about the man of lawlessness, (in Daniel, Revelation 13, and 17, 11Thes.2, etc), you'll find that, without exception, America and African Americans fit the profile of every one of those scriptures.

America is that beast nation that has fallen away, and has exalted the African Americans above God.

It's the nation that cut off Christ by taking away the daily worship and prayer ("daily sacrifice and oblation") from its public schools in 1963.

And, it's the nation that put in place "the abomination of desolation" when it did away with the anti-Mescegenation law in 1967.

Dan.11:31
"And arms (the arm of the law) shall stand on his part (of the part of African Americans), and they (the European Americans) shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and shall place the abomination that maketh desolate."

[Associate Justice PiT]

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     Please tell me that you don't actually believe that.

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     Damn heathens & their bloody 1st Amendement.

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     What do you have against inter-racial marriage?

[prophetman]

The Anti-Christ is no one individual. The Anti-Christ is any person who denies Christ and his teachings.

You're absolutely right.

The antichrists spoken of in 1st and 2nd John has no relavance whatsoever to the man of lawlessness  in 11Thes.2.

Our Protestant forefathers actually went outside the prophetic scriptures and borrowed the term from 1st and 2nd John, and applied it to the man of lawlessness.

Had they been mindful of the prophetic scriptures they would have recognized that the man of lawlessness is that "ten horns" that are upon Babylon in Revelation 17, and thus COULD NOT be one individual man.

But, because of their consuming hatred for the Catholic Church and for the Pope, they simply had to find terms in the prophetic scriptures which would fit those 2 entities.  Thus, they applied the term "harlot" to the Catholic Church, and the term "Antichrist" to the Pope.

Sadly, that hatred is still alive and well today in many of the Evangelical and Pentacostal churches of America. 

     Wait, did you just say that African-Americans=the man of lawlessness?

     Did you also use the number of horns as proof that they do not refer to an individual? By your logic then, the ten horns could not be African-Americans since last time I checked, there are more than ten African-Americans.

     Wait, so you mean that African-Americans deny Christ & his teachings? Guess all those historically black churches are not what they seem.

     Seriously though, could you try to be internally consistent with your arguments?

Scriptures do not say that the man of lawlessness "denies Christ and his teachings".  It says that, they "oppose" and "exalt themselves" above all that is called God, or that is worshipped."

In other words, they oppose and exalt themselves above the white Europeans, ie, "the God-man".

As per your comment about "the ten horns"....Don't be stupid!

[Gustaf]

The Anti-Christ is no one individual. The Anti-Christ is any person who denies Christ and his teachings.

You're absolutely right.

The antichrists spoken of in 1st and 2nd John has no relavance whatsoever to the man of lawlessness  in 11Thes.2.

Our Protestant forefathers actually went outside the prophetic scriptures and borrowed the term from 1st and 2nd John, and applied it to the man of lawlessness.

Had they been mindful of the prophetic scriptures they would have recognized that the man of lawlessness is that "ten horns" that are upon Babylon in Revelation 17, and thus COULD NOT be one individual man.

But, because of their consuming hatred for the Catholic Church and for the Pope, they simply had to find terms in the prophetic scriptures which would fit those 2 entities.  Thus, they applied the term "harlot" to the Catholic Church, and the term "Antichrist" to the Pope.

Sadly, that hatred is still alive and well today in many of the Evangelical and Pentacostal churches of America. 

     Wait, did you just say that African-Americans=the man of lawlessness?

     Did you also use the number of horns as proof that they do not refer to an individual? By your logic then, the ten horns could not be African-Americans since last time I checked, there are more than ten African-Americans.

     Wait, so you mean that African-Americans deny Christ & his teachings? Guess all those historically black churches are not what they seem.

     Seriously though, could you try to be internally consistent with your arguments?

Scriptures do not say that the man of lawlessness "denies Christ and his teachings".  It says that, they "oppose" and "exalt themselves" above all that is called God, or that is worshipped."

In other words, they oppose and exalt themselves above the white Europeans, ie, "the God-man".

As per your comment about "the ten horns"....Don't be stupid!

Don't be hypocritical!

[prophetman]

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     Please tell me that you don't actually believe that.

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     Damn heathens & their bloody 1st Amendement.

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     What do you have against inter-racial marriage?

What do "I" have against inter-racial marriage?!!

You're asking the wrong person....Better to ask GOD; the One who's opinion matters.

[John Dibble]

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Among first world countries, America is by far one of the most if not the most religious. You're letting your prejudice against African Americans cloud your judgment. And frankly, I don't see why someone as obviously racist as you isn't calling them ns - we all know that's what you really think of them.

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You are aware that other largely Christian countries also don't have prayer in public schools, right? In fact, France hasn't had any school prayer since 1789. In fact they ban even having conspicuous religious symbols for public school students - I'd say that if this is your standard then France meets it far better than the US does.

And you might also wish to reconsider this considering a short prayer in school does not constitute "sacrifice and oblation" - nothing was sacrified, and it wasn't oblation since no offerings were made.

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Where exactly in the Bible does it say that interacial marriage is an "abomination" of any sort? As far as I know there is no such passage.

[Associate Justice PiT]

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     Is it me or did you just admit to not actually thinking for yourself?