Second Amendment to the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act (At Final Vote)

[Colin]

Second Amendment to the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act

Be it resolved that:

Section 3, Clause 1 shall be amended as follows:
1. Strike the first instance of “midnight Eastern Standard Time on the first Thursday” and amend by inserting “0001 Eastern Time on the first Friday”.
2. Strike the second instance of “standard”.

Section 5, Clause 1 shall be amended as follows:
1. Strike existing Section 5, Clause 1 in its entirity.
2. Insert new Section 5, Clause 1 to read as follows:
“The new election shall be held between 0001 Eastern Time on the second Friday after the initial election and 0001 Eastern Time on the first Friday thereafter, and shall conclude exactly 72 hours after the beginning.”

Section 15 shall be renumbered Section 16.

Amend by inserting the following as “Section 15: Definition of Midnight”
“For the purposes of elections held in the country of Atlasia, ‘midnight’ shall be defined as the earliest possible moment in the day.”


Sponsor: Meeker

[DownWithTheLeft]

Ah, one of those amendments where we realized a huge gaping hole exists too late.  Although this little loophole put me in the senate, I support this amendment fully.

[Verily]

Ah, one of those amendments where we realized a huge gaping hole exists too late.  Although this little loophole put me in the senate, I support this amendment fully.

As the results of the election to replace you have been certified, you are no longer in the Senate.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Ah, one of those amendments where we realized a huge gaping hole exists too late.  Although this little loophole put me in the senate, I support this amendment fully.

As the results of the election to replace you have been certified, you are no longer in the Senate.

Not true, I am in the senate until Bacon King takes the oath of office

[Verily]

Ah, one of those amendments where we realized a huge gaping hole exists too late.  Although this little loophole put me in the senate, I support this amendment fully.

As the results of the election to replace you have been certified, you are no longer in the Senate.

Not true, I am in the senate until Bacon King takes the oath of office

Nope. Elections take effect immediately. We've had this debate before, when Everett never swore in. The conclusion was that Everett was a Senator and therefore had to resign or be booted in order to be replaced. Therefore, Bacon King is a Senator, he's just not sworn in yet.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Ah, one of those amendments where we realized a huge gaping hole exists too late.  Although this little loophole put me in the senate, I support this amendment fully.

As the results of the election to replace you have been certified, you are no longer in the Senate.

Not true, I am in the senate until Bacon King takes the oath of office

Nope. Elections take effect immediately. We've had this debate before, when Everett never swore in. The conclusion was that Everett was a Senator and therefore had to resign or be booted in order to be replaced. Therefore, Bacon King is a Senator, he's just not sworn in yet.

Different set of circumstances, I was appointed to a vacant seat.  Therefore, I hold the seat until it is no longer vacant, which it currently is as Bacon King has not yet sworn in.

[Verily]

Ah, one of those amendments where we realized a huge gaping hole exists too late.  Although this little loophole put me in the senate, I support this amendment fully.

As the results of the election to replace you have been certified, you are no longer in the Senate.

Not true, I am in the senate until Bacon King takes the oath of office

Nope. Elections take effect immediately. We've had this debate before, when Everett never swore in. The conclusion was that Everett was a Senator and therefore had to resign or be booted in order to be replaced. Therefore, Bacon King is a Senator, he's just not sworn in yet.

Different set of circumstances, I was appointed to a vacant seat.  Therefore, I hold the seat until it is no longer vacant, which it currently is as Bacon King has not yet sworn in.

The discussion is now moot. However, the fact that you were appointed makes no difference. The instant Bacon King was elected, he became Senator, replacing you. It's not clear if your appointment to the Senate has been retroactively voided as well, given that it was illegal, but that may also be the case.

[Colin]

Seeing as there has been no further debate on this I am bringing this to a vote.

Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Seeing as there has been no further debate on this I am bringing this to a vote.

Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

There was debate?

[Bacon King]

aye.

[Torie]

Aye.  I thought this already passed weeks ago.

[Colin]

Seeing as there has been no further debate on this I am bringing this to a vote.

There was debate?

Barely. It's not my job, as PPT, to make people debate. I'm just here to set things in motion and open up votes.


Aye

[CultureKing]

aye

[Colin]

Voting on this will end tomorrow. Senators please vote on this legislation.

[minionofmidas]

Damn, totally overlooked this bill. Meh, happens I suppose.

This would give SoFAs an entire week to open polls in the case of runoff elections!? What the hell?

Nay, of course. Is this even constitutional?

[Verily]

Aye

[Colin]

This bill has enough votes to pass. Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.

[Meeker]

Aye

[DownWithTheLeft]

Nay, of course. Is this even constitutional?

How can a constitutional amendment be unconstitutional?

[Colin]

Nay, of course. Is this even constitutional?

How can a constitutional amendment be unconstitutional?

It's not a constitutional amendment but an amendment to the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act, a federal statute.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Nay, of course. Is this even constitutional?

How can a constitutional amendment be unconstitutional?

It's not a constitutional amendment but an amendment to the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act, a federal statute.

My bad, I just read "amendment"

[minionofmidas]

I urge the President to veto this.

Or for someone to explain to me what it's supposed to accomplish.

[Хahar 🤔]

I urge the President to veto this.

Or for someone to explain to me what it's supposed to accomplish.

It removes ambiguity as to what "midnight" means.

[minionofmidas]

I urge the President to veto this.

Or for someone to explain to me what it's supposed to accomplish.

It removes ambiguity as to what "midnight" means.

I thought so when it was introduced... but (beside the fact that that was never seriously ambiguous anyways) “The new election shall be held between 0001 Eastern Time on the second Friday after the initial election and 0001 Eastern Time on the first Friday thereafter, and shall conclude exactly 72 hours after the beginning.” does nothing of the kind. Instead gives the SoFA a whole week within which to pick an election date. Which seems to be totally out of order. The amendations to the text in Section 1 say the same thing (for a different situation). Anyhow it doesn't apply to the normal general election at all. And as the 9th Amendment continues to include the original text (opening between thu 00:00 and fri 00:01 - whatever that additional minute was supposed to accomplish ) it's actually flat-out unconstitutional.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

I urge the President to veto this.

Or for someone to explain to me what it's supposed to accomplish.

It removes ambiguity as to what "midnight" means.

I thought so when it was introduced... but (beside the fact that that was never seriously ambiguous anyways) “The new election shall be held between 0001 Eastern Time on the second Friday after the initial election and 0001 Eastern Time on the first Friday thereafter, and shall conclude exactly 72 hours after the beginning.” does nothing of the kind. Instead gives the SoFA a whole week within which to pick an election date. Which seems to be totally out of order. The amendations to the text in Section 1 say the same thing (for a different situation). Anyhow it doesn't apply to the normal general election at all. And as the 9th Amendment continues to include the original text (opening between thu 00:00 and fri 00:01 - whatever that additional minute was supposed to accomplish ) it's actually flat-out unconstitutional.

There is an accompanying constitutional amendment to define "midnight" and replace Amendment IX, but it has not yet been presented for a vote yet.