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« Reply #75 on: August 11, 2008, 11:43:20 AM »

This makes me sick. Georgia is a key role that that area for the United States. I mean they had 2,000 people helping us in Iraq. But we haven't done anything to help them out yet. We need this country to be part of NATO. This is a type of war we need to fight, not the on in Iraq. God this is making me mad.

yeah lets go start a world war!1!!!

We can't let Russia take over Georgia, the are to much of a help to the US in that area. I mean look at where they are at. Iraq and Iran are right below them. They were helping us in Iraq, we owe them.

There are other ways to try stopping the Russkis from taking over Georgia. Like diplomacy, you know. Mediation. Not starting another world war.

Of course, but I don't think Russia want to sit down and talk about it. I mean Georgia has already said the want to stop the fighting and talk about it. Russia isn't going to stop until they get what they want, to take over Georgia. Just like Iraq and Gulf war.
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« Reply #76 on: August 11, 2008, 11:44:33 AM »

Considering how much I detest Russia, Georgia. I'd even support Communist China if a war were ever fought between the two.

That would be the ultimate decision for me, given how much I hate both of those countries Tongue

China > Russia >>>>>>>> Israel
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« Reply #77 on: August 11, 2008, 11:50:28 AM »
« Edited: August 11, 2008, 11:56:56 AM by Josh22 »

Guys, look at this at a way bigger picture. Russia, dosen't like America, Iran doens't like America. How do you get these two counties boards to touch or come so to it so Russia can give nukes to Iran. Oh well look at here, Georgia, we take them over and Russia and Iran are very close to touching.
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« Reply #78 on: August 11, 2008, 11:54:37 AM »

I support Georgia. Russia is trying to destroy or capture the one main oil pipeline that it doesn't already control, among other reasons for its invasion.

I was stunned to find myself in agreement with Bush and Cheney's statements on the war yesterday. I especially liked Cheney's line that "this aggression cannot go unanswered."

If we don't stand up for Georgia, when will NATO defend its members and friends? They helped us in Iraq, they wanted to have good relations with the West, and now they are being punished for it by the regional bully (more like pitbull these days).

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« Reply #79 on: August 11, 2008, 12:40:48 PM »

Guys, look at this at a way bigger picture. Russia, dosen't like America, Iran doens't like America. How do you get these two counties boards to touch or come so to it so Russia can give nukes to Iran. Oh well look at here, Georgia, we take them over and Russia and Iran are very close to touching.

Ever heard of the Caspian Sea?
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« Reply #80 on: August 11, 2008, 12:42:15 PM »

Guys, look at this at a way bigger picture. Russia, dosen't like America, Iran doens't like America. How do you get these two counties boards to touch or come so to it so Russia can give nukes to Iran. Oh well look at here, Georgia, we take them over and Russia and Iran are very close to touching.
Ah, the geometer's approach to strategy, aka the recipe for incoherence and eventual disaster.
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« Reply #81 on: August 11, 2008, 12:42:54 PM »

Considering how much I detest Russia, Georgia. I'd even support Communist China if a war were ever fought between the two.

That would be the ultimate decision for me, given how much I hate both of those countries Tongue

China > Russia >>>>>>>> Israel

I agree.

Guys, look at this at a way bigger picture. Russia, dosen't like America, Iran doens't like America. How do you get these two counties boards to touch or come so to it so Russia can give nukes to Iran. Oh well look at here, Georgia, we take them over and Russia and Iran are very close to touching.

You don't need a border to trade nukes. You just need nukes.
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« Reply #82 on: August 11, 2008, 12:48:59 PM »
« Edited: August 11, 2008, 01:00:25 PM by 我寻找感觉和方向 »

Guys, look at this at a way bigger picture. Russia, dosen't like America, Iran doens't like America. How do you get these two counties boards to touch or come so to it so Russia can give nukes to Iran. Oh well look at here, Georgia, we take them over and Russia and Iran are very close to touching.

Ever heard of the Caspian Sea?

Right. You should open an atlas (the book) before writing, or try on the net there are lot of possibilities to see maps...

Euh, do you think nukes are toys we share with someone just because we don't like an other one?!? Here are some nukes, but please, don't use it against me...

Euh, we're effectively speaking about nukes...
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« Reply #83 on: August 11, 2008, 01:39:27 PM »

It looks like if we don't intervene soon we may not have the chance. If Gori has fallen, the Russians are probably only about 36 hours from an attack on Tblisi. Once the capital falls of course, the Russians will have no cover story any more but they won't particularly need one. I am sure of course, that Dana Perino can explain how very disappointed in them she is.
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« Reply #84 on: August 11, 2008, 01:46:04 PM »

Guys, look at this at a way bigger picture. Russia, dosen't like America, Iran doens't like America. How do you get these two counties boards to touch or come so to it so Russia can give nukes to Iran. Oh well look at here, Georgia, we take them over and Russia and Iran are very close to touching.

Ever heard of the Caspian Sea?

Right. You should open an atlas (the book) before writing, or try on the net there are lot of possibilities to see maps...

Euh, do you think nukes are toys we share with someone just because we don't like an other one?!? Here are some nukes, but please, don't use it against me...

Euh, we're effectively speaking about nukes...

Yes, but I not saying that is why Russia is trying to take over Georgia. Its just something to keep in mind.
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« Reply #85 on: August 11, 2008, 02:17:16 PM »

The Ossetian people. And thus no one who is, directly or indirectly, a party to the conflict (so, not the governments of South Ossetia, Georgia, Abkhazia, Russia, or the United States of America... I'm sure I'm forgetting to list some people.)
Couldn't have said it better (hence the signature). Though I admit that I'm less sympathetic to the Georgian government than the Georgian one.
I upped the ante by flying the Ossetian flag (the same on either side of the Caucasus) alongside the old, separatist Chechen flag.
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« Reply #86 on: August 11, 2008, 02:18:28 PM »

Guys, look at this at a way bigger picture. Russia, dosen't like America, Iran doens't like America. How do you get these two counties boards to touch or come so to it so Russia can give nukes to Iran. Oh well look at here, Georgia, we take them over and Russia and Iran are very close to touching.

Ever heard of the Caspian Sea?

Right. You should open an atlas (the book) before writing, or try on the net there are lot of possibilities to see maps...

Euh, do you think nukes are toys we share with someone just because we don't like an other one?!? Here are some nukes, but please, don't use it against me...

Euh, we're effectively speaking about nukes...

Yes, but I not saying that is why Russia is trying to take over Georgia. Its just something to keep in mind.

And me, if I think that Russians and Iranians can follow certain common ways to bother, or more, US/West/NATO, I think that this donation of nukes between the 2 countries is not to keep in mind, in order to make some place in your mind for other things which could be really more probable...
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« Reply #87 on: August 11, 2008, 02:19:49 PM »

I weakly support Georgia. Mostly due to the precedent this would set if Russia does get all it wants in this conflict.
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« Reply #88 on: August 11, 2008, 02:29:06 PM »

I weakly support Georgia. Mostly due to the precedent this would set if Russia does get all it wants in this conflict.
All Russia wants? Which is? According to most analysts it's the status quo. Although a more amenable (but, preferably, still remotely utilizable as bugbear - think the Shevardnadze days) Kartvelian government would no doubt be interesting, and appetites may be whetted by events.
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« Reply #89 on: August 11, 2008, 02:46:36 PM »

I weakly support Georgia. Mostly due to the precedent this would set if Russia does get all it wants in this conflict.
All Russia wants? Which is? According to most analysts it's the status quo. Although a more amenable (but, preferably, still remotely utilizable as bugbear - think the Shevardnadze days) Kartvelian government would no doubt be interesting, and appetites may be whetted by events.


Russia has an ego issue, isn't that obvious? Subduing Georgia would go some way is satisfying their hunger... for a while. 
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« Reply #90 on: August 11, 2008, 02:48:48 PM »

I weakly support Georgia. Mostly due to the precedent this would set if Russia does get all it wants in this conflict.
All Russia wants? Which is? According to most analysts it's the status quo. Although a more amenable (but, preferably, still remotely utilizable as bugbear - think the Shevardnadze days) Kartvelian government would no doubt be interesting, and appetites may be whetted by events.


Russia has an ego issue, isn't that obvious? Subduing Georgia would go some way is satisfying their hunger... for a while. 

No. They need to annex Alaska to staify their hunger.

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« Reply #91 on: August 11, 2008, 02:53:57 PM »

I weakly support Georgia. Mostly due to the precedent this would set if Russia does get all it wants in this conflict.
All Russia wants? Which is? According to most analysts it's the status quo. Although a more amenable (but, preferably, still remotely utilizable as bugbear - think the Shevardnadze days) Kartvelian government would no doubt be interesting, and appetites may be whetted by events.


Russia has an ego issue, isn't that obvious? Subduing Georgia would go some way is satisfying their hunger... for a while. 
Russia has a paranoia issue. America has an ego issue. Learn to tell your countries apart, buster. Tongue (Georgia has both... and perhaps rather more grounds for either... the ego issue reduced to scale, of course)
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« Reply #92 on: August 11, 2008, 03:00:54 PM »

I weakly support Georgia. Mostly due to the precedent this would set if Russia does get all it wants in this conflict.
All Russia wants? Which is? According to most analysts it's the status quo. Although a more amenable (but, preferably, still remotely utilizable as bugbear - think the Shevardnadze days) Kartvelian government would no doubt be interesting, and appetites may be whetted by events.


Russia has an ego issue, isn't that obvious? Subduing Georgia would go some way is satisfying their hunger... for a while. 
Russia has a paranoia issue. America has an ego issue. Learn to tell your countries apart, buster. Tongue (Georgia has both... and perhaps rather more grounds for either... the ego issue reduced to scale, of course)

Fair enough. Smiley However, don't underestimate how far Russia may go to prove that "they've still got it." They were left totally emasculated after the events in the 90's and Putin sees himself as the all mighty masculine Russian. A lethal combination. 
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« Reply #93 on: August 11, 2008, 03:54:32 PM »


Finally, someone who understands.

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« Reply #94 on: August 11, 2008, 04:25:08 PM »
« Edited: August 11, 2008, 04:27:46 PM by Contrary Hypothesis® »

lol @ Josh wanting us to go to war with Russia over a tiny province in a tiny nation like Georgia.

The only way I see any strong U.S., UN, or NATO involvement is if the Russians completely annex Georgia and decide "that felt good, it's time we take back all the Soviet states."  Although such an act probably wouldn't require much intervention as the Russian people would probably be so against Putin in that situation that there'd be a revolution.
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« Reply #95 on: August 11, 2008, 04:29:10 PM »

lol @ Josh wanting us to go to war with Russia over a tiny province in a tiny nation like Georgia.

The only way I see any strong U.S., UN, or NATO involvement is if the Russians completely annex Georgia and decide "that felt good, it's time we take back all the Soviet states."  Although such an act probably wouldn't require much intervention as the Russian people would probably be so against Putin in that situation that there'd be a revolution.

The last sentence is ironical...?
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« Reply #96 on: August 11, 2008, 04:35:39 PM »

lol @ Josh wanting us to go to war with Russia over a tiny province in a tiny nation like Georgia.

The only way I see any strong U.S., UN, or NATO involvement is if the Russians completely annex Georgia and decide "that felt good, it's time we take back all the Soviet states."  Although such an act probably wouldn't require much intervention as the Russian people would probably be so against Putin in that situation that there'd be a revolution.

The last sentence is ironical...?

Indeed it is.

Revolutions following misguided expansion attempts by power-hungry leaders are a time-honored Russian tradition.
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« Reply #97 on: August 11, 2008, 04:44:29 PM »

lol @ Josh wanting us to go to war with Russia over a tiny province in a tiny nation like Georgia.

The only way I see any strong U.S., UN, or NATO involvement is if the Russians completely annex Georgia and decide "that felt good, it's time we take back all the Soviet states."  Although such an act probably wouldn't require much intervention as the Russian people would probably be so against Putin in that situation that there'd be a revolution.

The last sentence is ironical...?

Indeed it is.

Revolutions following misguided expansion attempts by power-hungry leaders are a time-honored Russian tradition.

OK, luckily it is some irony, because it would be very risky to bet on this tradition here I think...
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« Reply #98 on: August 11, 2008, 04:57:45 PM »

lol @ Josh wanting us to go to war with Russia over a tiny province in a tiny nation like Georgia.

The only way I see any strong U.S., UN, or NATO involvement is if the Russians completely annex Georgia and decide "that felt good, it's time we take back all the Soviet states."  Although such an act probably wouldn't require much intervention as the Russian people would probably be so against Putin in that situation that there'd be a revolution.

The last sentence is ironical...?

Indeed it is.

Revolutions following misguided expansion attempts by power-hungry leaders are a time-honored Russian tradition.

OK, luckily it is some irony, because it would be very risky to bet on this tradition here I think...

As I said, it require Russia going crazy and retaking the former Soviet republics; spreading out their military and requiring NATO action (which is pretty much a given, especially if the nations who Russia goes after include NATO members Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania).

The nation's military power being spread thin like that in war could weaken Putin's power and lead to a regime change in Moscow.
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« Reply #99 on: August 11, 2008, 05:33:01 PM »

The nation's military power being spread thin like that in war could weaken Putin's power and lead to a regime change in Moscow.

Personally, this is a bet that I wouldn't take!
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