This Election Is (Probably) Over

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Yes the masses are indeed asses. I would not be surprised if Obama lost either because too many people thought he was muslim. And people were wondering why I was so "panicky" on that other bullsh**t thread about Obama's Indonesian past.

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J, Obama is the one you supported in the primaries, no? Hillary was Mary Sixpack, or at least she showed that she could convincingly pull herself off as one. That was one of the reasons I supported her.

Now, since you are giving up on the election, I want my party back.

So the democrats have to pretend to be stupid?? Ok.....

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I mean, all Obama has to do to win is basically convince voters that he is electable (will gradually increase) and that McCain does not present a substantively different plan that President Bush.  I mean, McCain has some tools in his arsenal to deflect this, but Obama hasn't even launched his principle attacks yet!  Notice that no ad as attacked McCain for his quote saying he doesn't understand economics, no ad has attacked McCain for his declaration that he's proud to have helped elect Bush, and no ad has shown that image of McCain bearhugging Bush.

This is waaay too frickin' early, son.  Obama's campaign was competent enough to defeat an inevitable candidate and extremely hard odds, I think they are at least capable of beating McCain when they are *favored.*

I hope you are right man. This muslim thing is really concerning me right now. People are truly dumb and Obama just doesn't talk the talk.

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But it might make a difference in a close election. I agree with you that issues will ultimately decide this election but Obama will lose a few points because of the bradley/islamophobia affect. Of course considering the current political climate Obama should be up by more than a few points. We cannot discount Mccain either, he is probably the best candidate for this year.

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I was really thinking of 2004. We could have stopped the Iraq war then but nope the gays were comin!!!!!!

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I was really thinking of 2004. We could have stopped the Iraq war then but nope the gays were comin!!!!!!

Maybe you were missed my point. The American electorate is full of asses...until...uh...the Dems win.

No, they are still asses. What irks me is how they fall for things like this muslim thing, or how Mccain lost big in SC because of the black baby thing.

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In other words, we ain't smart enough to see the big picture.

I got it.

We ain't smart like the liberals.

I don't think that is what he is saying. He is just saying that too many people get swayed by things like Obama being a possible muslim or Mccain possibly having a black baby. Most conservatives vote how they do not because they are dumb, but because of their ideology. But there are dummies on both sides of the aisle and they form a larger proportion of the population than I am comfortable with. More education is needed as always.

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In other words, we ain't smart enough to see the big picture.

I got it.

We ain't smart like the liberals.

I don't think that is what he is saying. He is just saying that too many people get swayed by things like Obama being a possible muslim or Mccain possibly having a black baby. Most conservatives vote how they do not because they are dumb, but because of their ideology. But there are dummies on both sides of the aisle and they form a larger proportion of the population than I am comfortable with. More education is needed as always.

Let's begin with the obvious...or maybe not so obvious to some.

I am a pretty intelligent fellow...you don't know me, but I like to think that I am anyway.

I am intelligent enough to actually read this essay, and understand what the author is saying, without need for interpretation, but thanks anyway.

This essay, to me (and I am no right wing Conservative by any measure) is a clear insight into what is basically wrong with the liberal mentality.

This essay sets forth the idea that people are not sufficiently intelligent to pick their own government.

This...from the perspective of member of a Party that supposedly stands FOR the very same people that it now claims are not intelligent enough to elect their own President.

There is a level of smugness that permeates liberal philosophy in general, and THAT is what the people of America reject. 

This essay...a fear that McCain will win, drives the author to the conclusion that the  "masses are indeed asses" wouldn't have been written if the author didn't think that McCain being elected can only be attributed to the American people being too stupid to elect the more intelligent liberal candidate.

I can read what it said.

Democrats, the Party of the "real people" -- The DNC is featuring a selected few of what they describe as being "real people" in the Convention; a truck driver, a Mom, etc if I recall correctly, which makes me wonder whether the Democratic Party doesn't see multi-millionaire Ivy League attorneys as being "real people", and what an incredibly poor self-image that would expose to the world -- or at least the DNC's liberal wing, see themselves as better than the rest of us, and as such, more capable of making decisions for the masses, more capable of spending our money wisely, more efficient at even raising our kids.

And those are the common traits of both the liberal wing of the DNC, and the conservative wing of the GOP.

The Hell with flag pin lapels, abortion, and gay marriage...it's the wings of BOTH parties that  that give those issues undue emphasis; it's the majority of the American people who reject BOTH sides telling us that THEIR way is the only right way.

It's the majority of those of us who think that they are both insane who are rejecting them.

Dude you have some self-respect issues or something? Nobody has called you dumb and my response was to your response to Xahar, not the first post. I don't think anybody here is saying that Americans are too dumb to look at the issues and make a decision. The problem is that too many people do not look at the real issues and decide to vote for someone out of dumb reasons. People who would otherwise vote democrat, but are voting for Mccain because they feel Obama is a muslim is dumb. Just like people who are voting against Mccain just because he is old or doesnt' use the internet. These are not issues and nobody should make their decision to vote based on this BS. 2004 was a pretty clear cut case of that. Here we had Iraq going to hell and all people could care about was gays marrying and who they wanted to have a beer with. IMO that is pretty fu**ing dumb. Recently this has hurt democrats more, thus the bitchin by their side, but that is not to say at some point in the future it might not hurt the GOP.

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I nominate this for quote of the week!

No one is saying that Americans are too dumb to make a decision on the issues, what we are saying is that they are dumb enough to make dumb decisions based on dumb reasons.

Did I get it?

People who base their vote on things like Obama being a possible muslim or Mccain being old are dumb. That is all I wanted to say. You were pretending as if we were calling all Mccain voters dumb, which is absolutely not the case.

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Well, THAT was obviously wrong.

THAT was absolutely right. Just because the surge saved us from embarrassment does not mean it was ever the right decision to go in and in 2004 the situation wasn't even as bad. We could have very possibly ended the war within 2 years if we wanted.

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I nominate this for quote of the week!

No one is saying that Americans are too dumb to make a decision on the issues, what we are saying is that they are dumb enough to make dumb decisions based on dumb reasons.

Did I get it?

Americans are smart, but sometimes vote for dumb reasons because they fail to vote on the "real issues."  I think that was sbane's point maybe, which of course does not anneal it from further parries and  thrusts.

That was exactly my point. Feel free to parrie and thrust further.

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Are you in charge of the dumbometer this week?

Can't you see that this idea that people who make decisions based on things that you (or liberals...or both and the same) don't consider to be important is "dumb" could be anything other than superior, arrogant, and elitist?

I am just calling it what it is. I am not advocating that people should be forced to vote on any certain issue. I just think that voting a certain way for these reasons is dumb and that is just my opinion, since I seem to have misplaced the dumbometer. I mean what do you think of these people who might otherwise have voted for Mccain but will vote for Obama because Mccain is old or not in touch with popular culture/internet. You must have an opinion of these people at least.

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Americans are smart, but not smart enough to identify (and vote based on) the "real issues" as defined of course by liberals.

I got it!

We ain't smart....like liberals.

Dude I am pretty sure we can come to an agreement on what the "real issues" are. I think both of us know that Obama is not a muslim for example. Its not as if I am defining what issue everyone should vote on. Everyone has their own but some are dumb, and I have only been using two examples mostly. I think we can at least agree on those two?( Obama muslim smear and the MCcain  is old issue)

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My opinion is that it is their vote, to be cast as they see fit, and based on whatever reason they use to arrive at that decision.

Yup keep saying that as long as it benefits your side. One day it won't. I wonder what you will say then.

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Sbane, I don't think many voters will be voting on the basis that Obama is a "Muslim."  A few more may be voting on the old thing, but still not that many. We may be beating to death a straw man.

The problem is that this muslim smear affects Obama among people who would otherwise vote for him in southeast OH or western PA. In a close race something like that could make a difference. The old thing doesn't affect Mccain much because that kind of attitude is probably exhibited by a young'un and we all know who they are voting for anyways.

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He may have been at one time, and if he was, and he's lying about it, that would bother me.

Don't politicians who lie about things like that bother you?

Or is a politician lying another of those "dumb" reasons NOT to vote for them?

Yeah we all decided it was BS yesterday.
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