Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!

[J. J.]

Wow, what a disaster! Did you just see how Obama barely got a majority of the votes? Remember when those Hillary delegates staged that massive walkout? This uconvention is in extreme disarray and disunity!

We should've listened to J. J.!

They just made a very big mistake.  Obama will not get the PUMAs.

[J. J.]

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I do think it is interesting how Pelosi quickly went from "All those that oppose the [voice vote]?" and went quickly into "2/3 have accepted the motion" ... never giving a chance for any "no's" to be heard.

They did that every time they asked for a acclamation vote. Including procedural matters...

But this time, they noticed.  Not good.

[J. J.]

Well, given all the "chaos," I think the prudent thing to do, is call the balance of the convention off. Obama can fax the speech he was to give to the media, and Sean Hannity can read it on the air for us all. How does that sound?

By the way, I would be happy to read Bill Clinton's speech for him. I like his speeches.  I could do that on Olberman's show. I will pretend to be a Democrat. He won't be any the wiser, unless someone here rats me out.

The damage has already been done, far away from the convention floor.  

[J. J.]

I do think it is interesting how Pelosi quickly went from "All those that oppose the [voice vote]?" and went quickly into "2/3 have accepted the motion" ... never giving a chance for any "no's" to be heard.

They always do that, like in the Senate/House, but even my Dem. roommate said something about that, and I don't think she should've said it quite that quickly.

A technical violation of the rules, but the PR is the problem.

[J. J.]

J.J. you are so funny.

No, BRTD is, because he doesn't see it.

[J. J.]

J.J. you are so funny.

No, BRTD is, because he doesn't see it.

I don't see how this is bad, in fact this is very good for Obama. Just watch him pull away and stay ahead.

He was suppose to do that this summer; he didn't.  Same with the VP (and Biden, while not great, was not terrible either).

[J. J.]

J.J. you are so funny.

No, BRTD is, because he doesn't see it.

I don't see how this is bad, in fact this is very good for Obama. Just watch him pull away and stay ahead.

He was suppose to do that this summer; he didn't.  Same with the VP (and Biden, while not great, was not terrible either).

Just watch, when McSame loses badly in November. There is a movement that the polls don't pick up, and alot of people will be shocked on election day. McSame will not be able to keep up with Obama.

Much like the "victory" of John Kerry.  Oh, I forgot:

"Raymond Shaw Barack Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."

[J. J.]

J.J. you are so funny.

No, BRTD is, because he doesn't see it.

I don't see how this is bad, in fact this is very good for Obama. Just watch him pull away and stay ahead.

He was suppose to do that this summer; he didn't.  Same with the VP (and Biden, while not great, was not terrible either).

Just watch, when McSame loses badly in November. There is a movement that the polls don't pick up, and alot of people will be shocked on election day. McSame will not be able to keep up with Obama.

Much like the "victory" of John Kerry.  Oh, I forgot:

"Raymond Shaw Barack Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."

John Kerry sucked and was a very bad pick for the Democrats. When swing voters step in that vote box they will see Obama vs McSame. They will think, Obama he talk about how he will change American, how he will take us on new path. Then they will see McSame and see that same views a Bush, how this past 8 years have been very bad. Then they will vote fore Obama, not McSame.

Right now, Obama isn't, and he should have.  It's a new age with McCain; it's unknown with Obama.

[J. J.]

What was JJ's quote, exactly?

It was just general.  I have said that basically not to let the delegates vote annoys the PUMA-types.

[J. J.]

Obama may have lost the PR battle, in regard to the PUMAs, but also in regard to the more moderate women.  Some of it could have been stemmed.  In that respect, so far it failed.

[J. J.]

Please note J. J. has attempted to spin EVERY SINGLE THING at the convention, even the almost universally received things like Michelle Obama's speech.

BRTD, I've posted a couple of times now how much I like Michelle and her speech.  She defined herself and her life experience very well.  I've also said that she seems like the most real person in either campaign.  Only a complete hack, or an illiterate, could call that negative.

I think are some shortcomings in the convention so far.  Not enough red meat attacks is one of them; that is not exactly anti-Obama, and we've other commentators saying exactly thing.

The second problem is, the convention has not defined Obama the person.  I think that is a mistake because it will let the GOP define him (not accurately).

[J. J.]

Please note J. J. has attempted to spin EVERY SINGLE THING at the convention, even the almost universally received things like Michelle Obama's speech.

BRTD, I've posted a couple of times now how much I like Michelle and her speech.  She defined herself and her life experience very well.  I've also said that she seems like the most real person in either campaign.  Only a complete hack, or an illiterate, could call that negative.

I think are some shortcomings in the convention so far.  Not enough red meat attacks is one of them; that is not exactly anti-Obama, and we've other commentators saying exactly thing.

The second problem is, the convention has not defined Obama the person.  I think that is a mistake because it will let the GOP define him (not accurately).

Comments like these are the type which shows that no matter what ever happened in the Convention, no matter how successful it was, J.J. would find something to criticize about it. Heck, if it had to come down to it, J.J. would probably have resorted to saying something like: "Hillary isn't wearing the right pantsuit for this speech, it doesn't resonate well with the men audience." 

Except, so far, it has not been hugely successful.  More pluses than minuses, but a B+ in the words of Harold Ford.  Not great, but not terrible either.

Frankly, the 1996 DNC was terrible, but Bill Clinton's speech was great.  The speech was the key.  Conversely the 1996 RNC was great, but Dole's speech was terrible; that was the key as well.

[J. J.]

I don't know who was funnier in this thread, J. J. or Josh.

You, bringing it up again.

[J. J.]

I don't know who was funnier in this thread, J. J. or Josh.

You, bringing it up again.

No, sorry.  BRTD is most obnoxious; you are incontestably most hilarious.

The realignment should be quite humorous.

[J. J.]

The realignment should be quite humorous.

Is 'the realignment' your new meme, I presume?

Old meme being rehashed. He just sort of recycles material and then hopes everyone forgets what a moron he was in the past.

When I predict, it is generally for well beyond one election cycle, in this case by 2016.  What you don't understand is that it is 2010, and we might be seeing signs of it, oh, I don't know, tomorrow?