Thursday Democratic National Convention running commentary thread

[Mr. Morden]

Here's the schedule:

http://www.demconvention.com/thursday-schedule/

Gore speaks in the 8pm Eastern hour.  Obama speaks in the 10pm Eastern hour.

Looks like Durbin may be the one to introduce Obama.

[© tweed]

if Gore were speaking tonight under different circumstances - as an outgoing two-term president - it's exceedingly likely that Joe Lieberman would be the Dem nominee...

[Kaine for Senate '18]

if Gore were speaking tonight under different circumstances - as an outgoing two-term president - it's exceedingly likely that Joe Lieberman would be the Dem nominee...

I wish that were true.

[Franzl]

if Gore were speaking tonight under different circumstances - as an outgoing two-term president - it's exceedingly likely that Joe Lieberman would be the Dem nominee...

I wish that were true.

and that would either make me vote for McCain or some third party.

[© tweed]

if Gore were speaking tonight under different circumstances - as an outgoing two-term president - it's exceedingly likely that Joe Lieberman would be the Dem nominee...

I wish that were true.

and that would either make me vote for McCain or some third party.

would McCain be speaking in Lieberman's behalf at the DNC?

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

if Gore were speaking tonight under different circumstances - as an outgoing two-term president - it's exceedingly likely that Joe Lieberman would be the Dem nominee...

I wish that were true.

and that would either make me vote for McCain or some third party.

would McCain be speaking in Lieberman's behalf at the DNC?

He speech would have started last night, sometime around 10 P.M. 

[12th Doctor]

Lovely stylistic choice for the stage backdrop.  Reminiscent of 1930's Third Reich.

[Lunar]

Ritter really has a barking dog.

OMFG Dean is coming up!

[Mr. Morden]

More detailed schedule:

http://thepage.time.com/2008/08/28/on-the-field/

MAJOR SPEAKERS TO COME:

7:10 pm ET – DNC Chair Howard Dean

7:17 pm ET – Rep. John Lewis

8:15 pm ET - Gov. Bill Richardson

8:22 pm ET– Gov. Tim Kaine

8:35 pm ET– Stevie Wonder performance

8:50 pm ET – Al Gore

9:09 pm ET – Susan Eisenhower

9:57 pm ET – Sen. Dick Durbin

10:15 pm ET – Barack Obama

[Sam Spade]

Excerpts:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/08/obama_we_are_a.html

[Lunar]

“Four years ago, I stood before you and told you my story – of the brief union between a young man from Kenya and a young woman from Kansas who weren’t well-off or well-known, but shared a belief that in America, their son could achieve whatever he put his mind to.

“It is that promise that has always set this country apart – that through hard work and sacrifice, each of us can pursue our individual dreams but still come together as one American family, to ensure that the next generation can pursue their dreams as well.

“It is why I stand here tonight. Because for two hundred and thirty two years, at each moment when that promise was in jeopardy, ordinary men and women – students and soldiers, farmers and teachers, nurses and janitors — found the courage to keep it alive.

“We meet at one of those defining moments – a moment when our nation is at war, our economy is in turmoil, and the American promise has been threatened once more.

“Tonight, more Americans are out of work and more are working harder for less. More of you have lost your homes and more are watching your home values plummet. More of you have cars you can’t afford to drive, credit card bills you can’t afford to pay and tuition that is beyond your reach

“These challenges are not all of government’s making. But the failure to respond is a direct result of a broken politics in Washington and the failed presidency of George W. Bush.

“America, we are better than these last eight years. We are a better country than this.”

***

“This moment – this election – is our chance to keep, in the 21st century, the American promise alive. Because next week, in Minnesota, the same party that brought you two terms of George Bush and Dick Cheney will ask this country for a third. And we are here because we love this country too much to let the next four years look just like the last eight. On November 4th, we must stand up and say: “Eight is enough.”

“Now let there be no doubt. The Republican nominee, John McCain, has worn the uniform of our country with bravery and distinction, and for that we owe him our gratitude and respect. And next week, we’ll also hear about those occasions when he’s broken with his party as evidence that he can deliver the change that we need.

“But the record’s clear: John McCain has voted with George Bush ninety percent of the time. Senator McCain likes to talk about judgment, but really, what does it say about your judgment when you think George Bush was right more than ninety percent of the time? I don’t know about you, but I’m not ready to take a ten percent chance on change.”

***
“You see, we Democrats have a very different measure of what constitutes progress in this country.

“We measure progress by how many people can find a job that pays the mortgage; whether you can put away a little extra money at the end of each month so that you can someday watch your child receive her diploma. We measure progress in the 23 million new jobs that were created when Bill Clinton was President – when the average American family saw its income go up $7,500 instead of down $2,000 like it has under George Bush.

“We measure the strength of our economy not by the number of billionaires we have or the profits of the Fortune 500, but by whether someone with a good idea can take a risk and start a business, or whether the waitress who lives on tips can take a day off to look after a sick kid without losing her job – an economy that honors the dignity of work.

“The fundamentals we use to measure economic strength are whether we are living up to that fundamental promise that has made this country great – a promise that is the only reason I am standing here tonight.”

***

“That’s the promise we need to keep. That’s the change we need right now. So let me spell out exactly what that change would mean if I am President.
.
“Change means a tax code that doesn’t reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses who deserve it.

“Unlike John McCain, I will stop giving tax breaks to corporations that ship our jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America.

“I will eliminate capital gains taxes for the small businesses and the start-ups that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow.

“I will cut taxes – cut taxes – for 95% of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle-class.

“And for the sake of our economy, our security, and the future of our planet, I will set a clear goal as President: in ten years, we will finally end our dependence on oil from the Middle East.

“Washington has been talking about our oil addiction for the last thirty years, and John McCain has been there for twenty-six of them. In that time, he’s said no to higher fuel-efficiency standards for cars, no to investments in renewable energy, no to renewable fuels. And today, we import triple the amount of oil as the day that Senator McCain took office.

“Now is the time to end this addiction, and to understand that drilling is a stop-gap measure, not a long-term solution. Not even close.

“As President, I will tap our natural gas reserves, invest in clean coal technology, and find ways to safely harness nuclear power. I’ll help our auto companies re-tool, so that the fuel-efficient cars of the future are built right here in America. I’ll make it easier for the American people to afford these new cars. And I’ll invest $150 billion over the next decade in affordable, renewable sources of energy – wind power and solar power and the next generation of biofuels; an investment that will lead to new industries and five million new jobs that pay well and can’t ever be outsourced.”

***

“We are the party of Roosevelt. We are the party of Kennedy. So don’t tell me that Democrats won’t defend this country. Don’t tell me that Democrats won’t keep us safe. The Bush-McCain foreign policy has squandered the legacy that generations of Americans — Democrats and Republicans – have built, and we are to restore that legacy.

“As Commander-in-Chief, I will never hesitate to defend this nation, but I will only send our troops into harm’s way with a clear mission and a sacred commitment to give them the equipment they need in battle and the care and benefits they deserve when they come home.

“I will end this war in Iraq responsibly, and finish the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. I will rebuild our military to meet future conflicts. But I will also renew the tough, direct diplomacy that can prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. I will build new partnerships to defeat the threats of the 21st century: terrorism and nuclear proliferation; poverty and genocide; climate change and disease. And I will restore our moral standing so that America is once more the last, best hope for all who are called to the cause of freedom, who long for lives of peace, and who yearn for a better future.”

[Lunar]

The camera just showed Samuel Jackson dancing in the crowd! Wow!

[J. J.]

Framing is hideous.  Too many celebrities; looks like a rock concert.  It's not being carried on the network however.

[YRABNNRM]

Framing is hideous.  Too many celebrities; looks like a rock concert.  It's not being carried on the network however.

How much does the RNC pay you?

[ChrisFromNJ]

Framing is hideous.  Too many celebrities; looks like a rock concert.  It's not being carried on the network however.

How much does the RNC pay you?

[ChrisFromNJ]

“Four years ago, I stood before you and told you my story – of the brief union between a young man from Kenya and a young woman from Kansas who weren’t well-off or well-known, but shared a belief that in America, their son could achieve whatever he put his mind to.

“It is that promise that has always set this country apart – that through hard work and sacrifice, each of us can pursue our individual dreams but still come together as one American family, to ensure that the next generation can pursue their dreams as well.

“It is why I stand here tonight. Because for two hundred and thirty two years, at each moment when that promise was in jeopardy, ordinary men and women – students and soldiers, farmers and teachers, nurses and janitors — found the courage to keep it alive.

“We meet at one of those defining moments – a moment when our nation is at war, our economy is in turmoil, and the American promise has been threatened once more.

“Tonight, more Americans are out of work and more are working harder for less. More of you have lost your homes and more are watching your home values plummet. More of you have cars you can’t afford to drive, credit card bills you can’t afford to pay and tuition that is beyond your reach

“These challenges are not all of government’s making. But the failure to respond is a direct result of a broken politics in Washington and the failed presidency of George W. Bush.

“America, we are better than these last eight years. We are a better country than this.”

***

“This moment – this election – is our chance to keep, in the 21st century, the American promise alive. Because next week, in Minnesota, the same party that brought you two terms of George Bush and Dick Cheney will ask this country for a third. And we are here because we love this country too much to let the next four years look just like the last eight. On November 4th, we must stand up and say: “Eight is enough.”

“Now let there be no doubt. The Republican nominee, John McCain, has worn the uniform of our country with bravery and distinction, and for that we owe him our gratitude and respect. And next week, we’ll also hear about those occasions when he’s broken with his party as evidence that he can deliver the change that we need.

“But the record’s clear: John McCain has voted with George Bush ninety percent of the time. Senator McCain likes to talk about judgment, but really, what does it say about your judgment when you think George Bush was right more than ninety percent of the time? I don’t know about you, but I’m not ready to take a ten percent chance on change.”

***
“You see, we Democrats have a very different measure of what constitutes progress in this country.

“We measure progress by how many people can find a job that pays the mortgage; whether you can put away a little extra money at the end of each month so that you can someday watch your child receive her diploma. We measure progress in the 23 million new jobs that were created when Bill Clinton was President – when the average American family saw its income go up $7,500 instead of down $2,000 like it has under George Bush.

“We measure the strength of our economy not by the number of billionaires we have or the profits of the Fortune 500, but by whether someone with a good idea can take a risk and start a business, or whether the waitress who lives on tips can take a day off to look after a sick kid without losing her job – an economy that honors the dignity of work.

“The fundamentals we use to measure economic strength are whether we are living up to that fundamental promise that has made this country great – a promise that is the only reason I am standing here tonight.”

***

“That’s the promise we need to keep. That’s the change we need right now. So let me spell out exactly what that change would mean if I am President.
.
“Change means a tax code that doesn’t reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses who deserve it.

“Unlike John McCain, I will stop giving tax breaks to corporations that ship our jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America.

“I will eliminate capital gains taxes for the small businesses and the start-ups that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow.

“I will cut taxes – cut taxes – for 95% of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle-class.

“And for the sake of our economy, our security, and the future of our planet, I will set a clear goal as President: in ten years, we will finally end our dependence on oil from the Middle East.

“Washington has been talking about our oil addiction for the last thirty years, and John McCain has been there for twenty-six of them. In that time, he’s said no to higher fuel-efficiency standards for cars, no to investments in renewable energy, no to renewable fuels. And today, we import triple the amount of oil as the day that Senator McCain took office.

“Now is the time to end this addiction, and to understand that drilling is a stop-gap measure, not a long-term solution. Not even close.

“As President, I will tap our natural gas reserves, invest in clean coal technology, and find ways to safely harness nuclear power. I’ll help our auto companies re-tool, so that the fuel-efficient cars of the future are built right here in America. I’ll make it easier for the American people to afford these new cars. And I’ll invest $150 billion over the next decade in affordable, renewable sources of energy – wind power and solar power and the next generation of biofuels; an investment that will lead to new industries and five million new jobs that pay well and can’t ever be outsourced.”

***

“We are the party of Roosevelt. We are the party of Kennedy. So don’t tell me that Democrats won’t defend this country. Don’t tell me that Democrats won’t keep us safe. The Bush-McCain foreign policy has squandered the legacy that generations of Americans — Democrats and Republicans – have built, and we are to restore that legacy.

“As Commander-in-Chief, I will never hesitate to defend this nation, but I will only send our troops into harm’s way with a clear mission and a sacred commitment to give them the equipment they need in battle and the care and benefits they deserve when they come home.

“I will end this war in Iraq responsibly, and finish the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. I will rebuild our military to meet future conflicts. But I will also renew the tough, direct diplomacy that can prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. I will build new partnerships to defeat the threats of the 21st century: terrorism and nuclear proliferation; poverty and genocide; climate change and disease. And I will restore our moral standing so that America is once more the last, best hope for all who are called to the cause of freedom, who long for lives of peace, and who yearn for a better future.”

If this is any indication of what most of his speech will be, it'll be a doozy. Lots of specifics here - hopefully most of the speech is like that.

[Hash]

What did Mark Udall have around his neck?

[Keystone Phil]

Stevie!



He better play some favorites.

[War on Want]

TV is muted and The Lawrence Arms is on.

[J. J.]

Framing is hideous.  Too many celebrities; looks like a rock concert.  It's not being carried on the network however.

How much does the RNC pay you?

Nothing, the framing is hideous.  The speech itself is important.  Hell, even Harold Ford was was not overly impressed as of yesterday.

Like I said, 1996, the DNC overall was terrible, Clinton's speech was great.  Obama's (and McCain's) speeches are the most important things.  In this one, the secondary things are Michelle's, Hillary's, and Bill's speeches.  Hillary's was the only one that approached stellar, but the others were OK, and didn't do any harm.

This is bad, because it re-enforces the celebrity aspect, but it generally isn't covered by the networks, so it's limited.

[Keystone Phil]

Come on...we want more than "Signed, Sealed, Delivered."

[War on Want]

Framing is hideous.  Too many celebrities; looks like a rock concert.  It's not being carried on the network however.

How much does the RNC pay you?

Nothing, the framing is hideous.  The speech itself is important.  Hell, even Harold Ford was was not overly impressed as of yesterday.

Like I said, 1996, the DNC overall was terrible, Clinton's speech was great.  Obama's (and McCain's) speeches are the most important things.  In this one, the secondary things are Michelle's, Hillary's, and Bill's speeches.  Hillary's was the only one that approached stellar, but the others were OK, and didn't do any harm.

This is bad, because it re-enforces the celebrity aspect, but it generally isn't covered by the networks, so it's limited.

I can understand why you would want this to go over bad but you have to realize Americans have pretty short attention spans and are also mostly idiots so a rock concert feel is very good for winning over votes. I don't agree, if it was my choice, for my entertainment it would either be a mix of Warped Tour and Democrats speaking or just serious substance. Of course the former would never happen.

[Sbane]

Do you guys like Gore's speech? It's not really flowing that well. I like the recycling joke though.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Stevie!



He better play some favorites.

Damn man, you and your Stevie addiction, J.J. and his Donna Summer obsession......what's in the water out there? 

[YRABNNRM]

It's not a great speech.