I don't like her

[??????????]

Obviously you don't know the history of that guy. Now go away, moron.

lol, what a joke.

What that he's a 9/11 conspiracy theorist? Anybody that believes that sh*t deserves every piece of crap they get.

[freedomburns]

Obviously you don't know the history of that guy. Now go away, moron.

lol, what a joke.

What that he's a 9/11 conspiracy theorist? Anybody that believes that sh*t deserves every piece of crap they get.

Wow, that's how you justify being rude?  Just.  Wow.

[J. J.]

Obviously you don't know the history of that guy. Now go away, moron.

lol, what a joke.

What that he's a 9/11 conspiracy theorist? Anybody that believes that sh*t deserves every piece of crap they get.

Wow, that's how you justify being rude?  Just.  Wow.

But deserved. 

[??????????]

Obviously you don't know the history of that guy. Now go away, moron.

lol, what a joke.

What that he's a 9/11 conspiracy theorist? Anybody that believes that sh*t deserves every piece of crap they get.

Wow, that's how you justify being rude?  Just.  Wow.

To be fair, anyone who believes any of that kooky sh*t should be called a moron.

[bebebea]

Ugh, I'm with Matt Damon on  this one ... does she believe in dinosaurs?!  I need to know!

[Gustaf]

I can understand speaking in toungues...maybe... but I have reasons to doubt that she even believes in free will or rationality. Maybe IQ isn't normally important, but Palin is an individual of questionable qualities, no matter how you look at it.

It is (pretty much) impossible to believe in free will without being religious. And rationality needs to be defined before one can throw around statements about it.

[minionofmidas]

I can't trust you on this

I may be a hack all to hell but I don't lie.

Word on the first part. And I trust him well enough on the second part.

[daboese]

Stop voting for people you want to have a beer with. Stop voting for folksy. Stop voting for people who remind you of your neighbor. Stop voting for the ideologically intransigent, the staggeringly ignorant, and the blazingly incompetent.

Didn't everyone want to have beer with G.W.? And didn't G.W. Bush say for a looong time that global warming was not caused by mankind? Someone who said that it might be worth considering to teach creationism in schools?
J.J., if you have such a high IQ, how can you support someone like that? It has to be beyond any logical thinking. Please tell me!

P.S. To go back to what you posted about Essen: It was not quite right, but much more than almost any American would know. In case you did not look it up.

[minionofmidas]

Stop voting for people you want to have a beer with. Stop voting for folksy.

I don't even think that's the problem. I think a certain type of voter just likes to think of the candidates they support in such terms - and among whites at least, that type of voter leans heavily Republican.
Because really, the idea that Bush is folksy or that anyone would want to have a beer with him is waaay out there. (Now, Todd Palin may be another matter. But he's never run for any kind of office, and I for one think there's a connection there.)

[daboese]

Because really, the idea that Bush is folksy or that anyone would want to have a beer with him is waaay out there.

I am quite sure that he appeared more like it in comparison to Gore and/or Kerry. And both Palins are like this as well.

[Franzl]

Stop voting for people you want to have a beer with. Stop voting for folksy. Stop voting for people who remind you of your neighbor. Stop voting for the ideologically intransigent, the staggeringly ignorant, and the blazingly incompetent.

Didn't everyone want to have beer with G.W.? And didn't G.W. Bush say for a looong time that global warming was not caused by mankind? Someone who said that it might be worth considering to teach creationism in schools?
J.J., if you have such a high IQ, how can you support someone like that? It has to be beyond any logical thinking. Please tell me!

P.S. To go back to what you posted about Essen: It was not quite right, but much more than almost any American would know. In case you did not look it up.

This, of course, assumes that there couldn't be any other reason for supporting a Republican.

Even though Dubya might not understand much about science, there are quite probably other qualities and policies that people are interested in. It is possible, you know, for someone to support the Iraq War...or support banning abortion....or to like lower taxes (even if it runs up the national debt).

It's a matter of having priorities, as I'm sure that many moderate republicans, especially on this forum, don't agree with everything Bush says.

And as far as teaching creationism in schools...what's your problem with that? (assuming, of course, that it isn't in science class)

[daboese]

Of course there are so many reasons.
But especially for G.W. Bush it looked like it was an election about the person. It looked like he did not really care much about politics. And to me, it looks like Republicans are doing this again, just look for example at the signature of GoldenBoy. I don't see the Republicans discussing many issues.

Concerning teaching creationism in school: It scorns science. And that is extremely dangerous, as we have experienced in Germany 60 years ago, and you see all over in the arab world. You thus go ahead and start to change something which is purely objective into a matter of belief. As soon as you do it, it will be subject to all kinds of distortions.

[minionofmidas]

Because really, the idea that Bush is folksy or that anyone would want to have a beer with him is waaay out there.

I am quite sure that he appeared more like it in comparison to Gore.

Certainly not to me. I mean - this is the same Bush we're talking about, right?
"wtf?" has always been the best description of my reaction when anybody claimed Bush had more appeal of that kind than... well... just about anybody really.

[daboese]

Yours. And mine as well, I just think he is plain stupid.
But he was very popular for a long time, he won, despite not really being a very political person, two elections, the one against Gore even after 8 years of Clinton who was able to balance the huge deficit that the US had.

[Nym90]

Because really, the idea that Bush is folksy or that anyone would want to have a beer with him is waaay out there.

I am quite sure that he appeared more like it in comparison to Gore.

Certainly not to me. I mean - this is the same Bush we're talking about, right?
"wtf?" has always been the best description of my reaction when anybody claimed Bush had more appeal of that kind than... well... just about anybody really.

Agreed. Bush is one of if not the most elitist politicians in US history in my opinion. Explains a lot of his failures in office, really.

[??????????]

Concerning teaching creationism in school: It scorns science. And that is extremely dangerous, as we have experienced in Germany 60 years ago, and you see all over in the arab world. You thus go ahead and start to change something which is purely objective into a matter of belief. As soon as you do it, it will be subject to all kinds of distortions.

Evolution, is of course a theory as well. Can you prove without 100% doubt that we evolved from an apelike creature? Can you prove that God had nothing to do with that "evolution"? I personally don't believe in young earth creationism but if you believe in God you certainly can believe that God had a hand in some sort of evolution that neither you nor I can know for certain.

And most people in this country complain that the people in Washington are career politicians and that we need someone from the outside (I agree fully). Our founders never intended for career politicians and they saw such people as a great threat to our freedoms. They were right and their warnings are proving themselves out. Palin IS that outside the beltway person and I think most socialists (nee Democratic party) are pissed because the Republicans beat them to the punch on the matter and now the GOP has a very good shot at winning this fall. Is their anything wrong with voting for someone you agree with and would have a beer with? Nope, and I beg you to prove to my why that's a bad thing.

And remember, the nut that originally started this thread believes the government committed 9/11.

[Franzl]

Concerning teaching creationism in school: It scorns science. And that is extremely dangerous, as we have experienced in Germany 60 years ago, and you see all over in the arab world. You thus go ahead and start to change something which is purely objective into a matter of belief. As soon as you do it, it will be subject to all kinds of distortions.

Evolution, is of course a theory as well. Can you prove without 100% doubt that we evolved from an apelike creature? Can you prove that God had nothing to do with that "evolution"? I personally don't believe in young earth creationism but if you believe in God you certainly can believe that God had a hand in some sort of evolution that neither you nor I can know for certain.

And most people in this country complain that the people in Washington are career politicians and that we need someone from the outside (I agree fully). Our founders never intended for career politicians and they saw such people as a great threat to our freedoms. They were right and their warnings are proving themselves out. Palin IS that outside the beltway person and I think most socialists (nee Democratic party) are pissed because the Republicans beat them to the punch on the matter and now the GOP has a very good shot at winning this fall. Is their anything wrong with voting for someone you agree with and would have a beer with? Nope, and I beg you to prove to my why that's a bad thing.

And remember, the nut that originally started this thread believes the government committed 9/11.

The first paragraph is correct, and that's why there is nothing wrong with teaching the theory of creationism outside of scientific context.

I also understand that a "Washington outsider" appeals to many people.

But come on...don't try to justify voting for someone you'd like to have a beer with. Concerning you, I have no doubt that you agree with Republican policies (which is frightening, but at least justifiable )
Politics shouldn't be reduced to voting for someone you'd like to get to know or to have a beer with. It's insulting to people that actually care about our country and its future.

[daboese]

Evolution, is of course a theory as well. Can you prove without 100% doubt that we evolved from an apelike creature? Can you prove that God had nothing to do with that "evolution"?

It cannot be proven, but there is no evidence whatsoever that these theories are untrue. All of modern science bases on these theories. The probability that they are wrong is 1:1000000000. With that probability creationism might be taught in school then as well, 1 lesson in comparison to one trillion lessons in evolutionary science.

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G.W. Bush was such a person. And that was a bad thing. If you know what is at stake currently, you better do not take any risks.
With the global problems which emerge currently, I simply don't think that someone who has close to never been abroad has a clue how the world works.

[??????????]

With the global problems which emerge currently, I simply don't think that someone who has close to never been abroad has a clue how the world works.

Are we talking about Bill Clinton or Sarah Palin? I forget?

[minionofmidas]

Evolution, is of course a theory as well.

What do you mean by "as well" here? "Intelligent Design" is not.

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Yes. It's called a paternity test.

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No, although definitions of "God" vary, and a very literal biblical interpretation of God is less easily alignable with modern science than most other possible deist interpretations. Anyways it's pretty irrelevant.

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Absolutely. Agreed.

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I agree, sort of.

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An understandable misconception. "Freedoms" have nothing to do with it - when a 1780s man heard "parties" he thought of the Jacobite faction in England  or the conflict between Patriots (or whatever the term was, can't think right now) and Loyalists in revolutionary America. That is to say, they perceived party politicians as harbingers of Civil War.

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LMAO. Sorry, just lmao. This is the Governor of Alaska we're talking about - aka Uberporkland. This is a moderately reforming career politician (politically) raised in an archcorrupt environment. She'll do get along like a house on fire with Washington lobbyists

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On a purely spinster level, yeah I would have preferred if Obama had picked a runningmate that could be presented to the credulous as an "outsider". I said so when he picked Biden (not in these exact words).

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I don't think Palin's influenced that winning percentage all that much. It's still under 50. Not in the way the Dem primary battle or the Reps' ending up - at least halfways by sheer chance - with the one nominee among their candidates who had a realistic chance have influenced it.

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Nope. What there is - IMHO - something wrong with, is pinning such high hopes on the kind of people who get selected to head major parties, despite being disappointed time and time again. And, with certain historical exemptions (cases of race or class polarization mostly) it seems to be mostly the right's voters who do that.

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I don't think a man who claims that Muslims had any sort of hand in the OKC bombing has any right to talk on that point. I expect all reasonable persons on the other side of the aisle to agree with me here.

With the global problems which emerge currently, I simply don't think that someone who has close to never been abroad has a clue how the world works.

Are we talking about Bill Clinton or Sarah Palin? I forget?

George W Bush. We're talking about George W Bush. Bill Clinton spent years abroad, remember? Dodging the draft?

[freedomburns]

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Let's see if I can put my thread back on track here...

The Palin-Couric media reviews are in, and they are DEVASTATINGLY BAD.

I was definitley surprized that Sarah Palin did so poorly in the Charles Gibson interview.  I mean, come on!  How can anyone who considers themselves informed NOT KNOW what the Bush doctrine is??  It is only the most important and dramatic change in American foreign policy since the end of the Cold War.

Well, as I was surfing the web I found Katie Couric's interview with Sarah Palin, which focuses on her astoundingly simplistic view of proximity to Russia giving the Governor of Alaska ample foreign policy experience.  The interview includes the cartoonish reference to the "ugly head" of Putin flying over Alaska's airspace. After watching the video, I was left aghast and speechless. It was an OH. MY. GOD. moment such as I had only thought Bush capable. I was so shocked that I could only reel back and drag myself to bed- not wanting to believe it was real.

Today is a new day though, and I decided to check out the reactions of fellow Americans to it across the land. And quite clearly they are as visceral and alarmed and as instilled with fright as mine, and for McCain, they are DEVASTATINGLY BAD:


Palin talks to Couric -- and if she's lucky, few are listening - James Rainey, LATimes

Her third nationally televised interview, with CBS anchor Katie Couric, found Palin rambling, marginally responsive and even more adrift than during her network debut with ABC’s Charles Gibson....
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-onthemedia26-2008sep26,0,3542588.story


Katie Couric carves up Sarah Palin - Kansas City Star
Palin looks unprepared to be vice president (and certainly president)...
http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2157


Couric shines, Palin doesn't in CBS interview - The Oregonian

Ouch. Only one of the two women showed poise, focus and a good grasp of the facts, and it wasn't the one who's running for vice president....
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2008/09/couric_shines_palin_doesnt_in.html



I’m sorry — Sarah Palin is a bad joke - Jay Bookman, Atlanta Journal and Constitution

Palin is living, breathing proof that John McCain lies when he claims to put this country first over politics. She makes Dan Quayle look like Albert Einstein with a better haircut.
http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/bookman/entries/2008/09/25/im_sorry_sarah_palin_is_a_bad.html

Shameless and clueless Sarah Palin  - David Horsey, Seattle Post-Intelligencer

How would Republicans be reacting if Gov. Christine Gregoire were the Democratic candidate for vice president and she claimed that, because Washington borders Canada and sends trade missions to Japan and China and Russia, she is, therefore, experienced in foreign policy? And what if Gregoire also claimed to be a seasoned commander-in-chief because she is titular head of the Washington National Guard? We all know how Republicans would react: they would roar with mocking laughter. And they would be absolutely right to mock such idiotic pretense.
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/davidhorsey/archives/149699.asp?from=blog_last3


A Question Reprised, but the Words Come None Too Easily for Palin  - NY Times

Her first interview, with the ABC News anchor Charles Gibson, was too hard. The second, with Sean Hannity on the Fox News Channel, was too soft. The third, however, did not turn out to be just right for Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska.  On the “CBS Evening News” on Thursday, Katie Couric asked Ms. Palin, Senator John McCain’s running mate, what she meant when she cited Alaska’s proximity to Russia as foreign affairs experience. Ms. Palin could have anticipated the question — the topic of their interview, pegged to her visit to the United Nations, was foreign affairs. Yet Ms. Palin’s answer was surprisingly wobbly: her words tumbled out fast and choppily, like an outboard motor loosened from the stern.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/us/politics/26watch.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


Jack Cafferty: If Sarah Palin Being One Heartbeat Away "Doesn't Scare The Hell Out Of You, It Should"

Jack Cafferty unloaded on Sarah Palin's "disastrous" interview with Katie Couric Friday afternoon on CNN, telling Wolf Blitzer, "There's a reason the McCain campaign keeps Governor Palin away from the press."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/26/jack-cafferty-if-sarah-pa_n_129724.html


and no help from Palin's side of the aisle either:


Jake Tapper quotes conservative columnist Kathleen Parker:

Watching the CBS interview of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin did not exactly fill Parker with confidence.
"Palin's recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/ill-try-to-find.html


and my favorite, from a compilation on the British "firstpost"


Babbling Palin ‘makes George Bush sound like Cicero’ - Rod Dreher

a religious-conservative blogger who frequently appears on Fox News and was as recently as last week a Palin supporter, says the Alaskan Governor "was mediocre". Dreher says he felt "embarrassed" listening to Palin "regurgitating talking points mechanically, not thinking. just babbling. She makes George W. Bush sound like Cicero."
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/uselection,0,babbling-palin-makes-george-bush-sound-like-cicero,46939



I hate to say I told you so...ok not really.  I told you so!  She's a lightweight.  She's a beauty queen and a sportscaster who bumbled her way into small-town politics and won the mayorship of an Arctic hamlet.  I don't know how in the heck she made it to governor, but if I were an Alaskan I would be desperately embarassed at what the nation is witnessing.  She doesn't have even a minimal understanding of the essential issues.  Katie Couric looks like she would be ten times better at this position.  Katie at least has some basic grasp of the issues of the day and what matters.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP12aNzocSc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVnhCG2_39w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc

[Ban my account ffs!]

As time goes on, I dislike Sarah Palin more and more.  She is quickly proving how unprepared and unready she is to be vice president.

At first it was hard to bring up the "experience" issue because the Republicans were somewhat successfully painting Obama as inexperienced... but there is no doubt now that Obama is miles ahead of Palin in that department.

Experience is good, but not 100% necessary.  But if you're going to be the change candidate, you have to show that you can, without a shadow of a doubt, that you are ready to lead without any reservations.  Sarah Palin has proven that she isn't.

So rather than going out and focusing on what she does do well and focusing ont he issues she knows well, she is just hiding from the media. 

I knew right away that Palin would backfire and be a negative for the McCain campaign... no matter how excited conservatives are about her.

I think that is apparent now as McCain is falling behind in the polls.  Biden will slaughter her next week and she won't be able to hide behind the "sweet Sarah Palin" facade.

[freedomburns]

SNL spoof of the Katie Couric interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-5uJSCBZlQ

FUNNY!!

[daboese]

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