Amendment (...) Regarding the Role of Parties... (Failed)

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So, just because I happen to be affiliated with a minor party, I would see my legal right to vote taken away from me?

[Associate Justice PiT]

     For the record, though I no longer support this amendment, the idea behind taking away their right to vote came about when Xahar & I were trying to figure out how to make the penalties stiffer. Originally, I proposed that their registration should be invalidated, unless they re-register or get enough members for their party to become a major party.

[Torie]

Given PiT`s change of mind here, I think when I return in a few days, I will amend this to limit its effect to parties controlling who which members can get on the ballot. Sound good?

[minionofmidas]

So you expect us to keep debating the proposal til then?

[Bacon King]

So you expect us to keep debating the proposal til then?

We could always just table the motion until then. You know, in the intended usage of the procedure.

[minionofmidas]

So you expect us to keep debating the proposal til then?

We could always just table the motion until then. You know, in the intended usage of the procedure.

In Atlasia, the intended usage of the term is to kill a bill quickly.

I seem to recall that "table" has exactly opposite meanings in Britain and America, but I forget which is which.

[Bacon King]

So you expect us to keep debating the proposal til then?

We could always just table the motion until then. You know, in the intended usage of the procedure.

In Atlasia, the intended usage of the term is to kill a bill quickly.

I seem to recall that "table" has exactly opposite meanings in Britain and America, but I forget which is which.

I know that's how it's been used in Atlasia, but can't we use the table motion to lay it aside to actually pick it up again in the future?

[minionofmidas]

So you expect us to keep debating the proposal til then?

We could always just table the motion until then. You know, in the intended usage of the procedure.

In Atlasia, the intended usage of the term is to kill a bill quickly.

I seem to recall that "table" has exactly opposite meanings in Britain and America, but I forget which is which.

I know that's how it's been used in Atlasia, but can't we use the table motion to lay it aside to actually pick it up again in the future?

If someone reintroduces it, it would retake the end of the cue.

[Bacon King]

So you expect us to keep debating the proposal til then?

We could always just table the motion until then. You know, in the intended usage of the procedure.

In Atlasia, the intended usage of the term is to kill a bill quickly.

I seem to recall that "table" has exactly opposite meanings in Britain and America, but I forget which is which.

I know that's how it's been used in Atlasia, but can't we use the table motion to lay it aside to actually pick it up again in the future?

If someone reintroduces it, it would retake the end of the cue.

Ah, alright. Didn't know.

[Torie]

I will be back in the saddle on Sunday. Internet speed in Mexico is mucho dispachio.

[minionofmidas]

Alright, so I'll keep debate open by reading poetry from the late Peter Rühmkorf into the congressional record...

Und am Abend, bei Övelgönne
Im spitzen Gefiedel des Schilfs
Wenn einer den Himmel gewönne
Und ließe die Knochen: Was hülf's?

[Хahar 🤔]

I'll help:

If we seriously consider the purity of the Christian religion, the sanctity of its moral precepts, and the innocent as well as austere lives of the greater number of those who during the first ages embraced the faith of the gospel, we should naturally suppose, that so benevolent a doctrine would have been received with due reverence, even by the unbelieving world; that the learned and the polite, however they may deride the miracles, would have esteemed the virtues, of the new sect; and that the magistrates, instead of persecuting, would have protected an order of men who yielded the most passive obedience to the laws, though they declined the active cares of war and government. If, on the other hand, we recollect the universal toleration of Polytheism, as it was invariably maintained by the faith of the people, the incredulity of philosophers, and the policy of the Roman senate and emperors, we are at a loss to discover what new offence the Christians had committed, what new provocation could exasperate the mild indifference of antiquity, and what new motives could urge the Roman princes, who beheld without concern a thousand forms of religion subsisting in peace under their gentle sway, to inflict a severe punishment on any part of their subjects, who had chosen for themselves a singular but an inoffensive mode of faith and worship.


The religious policy of the ancient world seems to have assumed a more stern and intolerant character, to oppose the progress of Christianity. About fourscore years after the death of Christ, his innocent disciples were punished with death by the sentence of a proconsul of the most amiable and philosophic character, and according to the laws of an emperor distinguished by the wisdom and justice of his general administration. The apologies which were repeatedly addressed to the successors of Trajan are filled with the most pathetic complaints, that the Christians, who obeyed the dictates, and solicited the liberty, of conscience, were alone, among all the subjects of the Roman empire, excluded from the common benefits of their auspicious government. The deaths of a few eminent martyrs have been recorded with care; and from the time that Christianity was invested with the supreme power, the governors of the church have been no less diligently employed in displaying the cruelty, than in imitating the conduct, of their Pagan adversaries. To separate (if it be possible) a few authentic as well as interesting facts from an undigested mass of fiction and error, and to relate, in a clear and rational manner, the causes, the extent, the duration, and the most important circumstances of the persecutions to which the first Christians were exposed, is the design of the present chapter. *

[Filuwaúrdjan]

EXT. STREET, GLOUCESTER. DUSK

The HIKER finishing 'Rock of Ages' on accordian.

A moment, and Eileen, rather hesitant, steps forward, fumbling in her purse, and puts two pennies in the hat.

Pull out - ARTHUR watching, enraptured.

HIKER: Thank you very, very much, sir. Thank you, very, very, much, madam.
EILEEN: (Awkwardly) It was very nice.
HIKER: (Startled) Pardon, lady?
EILEEN: (Embarrassed) It was nice - a nice hymn.

(The HIKER glows.)

HIKER: (Too ecstatic) Sh-shall I play you another one, lady?

(She starts to retreat)

EILEEN: I - ah -
HIKER: (Almost shouting) 'The Old Rugged Cross'! I'll play 'The Old Rugged Cross'!
EILEEN: (Retreating fast) No - it's all right - thank you.

(He starts the sonorous chords.
ARTHUR starts after her, then decides it is hopeless. His shoulders droop, he stares wistfully.
He turns back to the accordian player, who is thumping out the hymn.)

ARTHUR: (Angrily) Shut up, for gawd's sake! Half wit!!

(The accordian stops with a strange wail. The HIKER looks at ARTHUR, blinking, bewildered.
The two men hold the look, virtually toe-to-toe.
Then, strangely, in a sudden spurt of emotion, and without knowing why, ARTHUR embraces the HIKER, who starts to cry.)

[Јas]

It appears to me impossible to suppose that the House will consider me presumptuous in wishing to be heard for a short time on this question, especially after the distinct manner in which I have been alluded to in the course of the debate. If I had no other excuse, that would be sufficient; but I do not want it; I have another and a better -- the question is one in the highest degree interesting to the people of Ireland. It is, whether we mean to do justice to that country -- whether we mean to continue the injustice which has been already done to it, or to hold out the hope that it will be treated in the same manner as England and Scotland. That is the question. We know what "lip service" is; we do not want that. There are some men who will even declare that they are willing to refuse justice to Ireland; while there are others who, though they are ashamed to say so, are ready to consummate the iniquity, and they do so.

England never did do justice to Ireland -- she never did. What we have got of it we have extorted from men opposed to us on principle -- against which principle they have made us such concessions as we have obtained from them. The right honorable baronet opposite [Sir Robert Peel] says he does not distinctly understand what is meant by a principle. I believe him. He advocated religious exclusion on religious motives; he yielded that point at length, when we were strong enough to make it prudent for him to do so.

Here am I calling for justice to Ireland; but there is a coalition tonight -- not a base unprincipled one -- God forbid! -- it is an extremely natural one; I mean that between the right honorable baronet and the noble lord the member for North Lancashire [Lord Stanley]. It is a natural coalition, and it is impromptu; for the noble lord informs us he had not even a notion of taking the part he has until the moment at which he seated himself where he now is. I know his candor; he told us it was a sudden inspiration which induced him to take part against Ireland. I believe it with the most potent faith, because I know that he requires no preparation for voting against the interests of the Irish people. [Groans.] I thank you for that groan -- it is just of a piece with the rest. I regret much that I have been thrown upon arguing this particular question, because I should have liked to have dwelt upon the speech which has been so graciously delivered from the throne today -- to have gone into its details, and to have pointed out the many great and beneficial alterations and amendments in our existing institutions which it hints at and recommends to the House. The speech of last year was full of reforms in words, and in words only; but this speech contains the great leading features of all the salutary reforms the country wants; and if they are worked out fairly and honestly in detail, I am convinced the country will require no further amelioration of its institutions, and that it will become the envy and admiration of the world. I, therefore, hail the speech with great satisfaction.

It has been observed that the object of a king's speech is to say as little in as many words as possible; but this speech contains more things than words -- it contains those great principles which, adopted in practice, will be most salutary not only to the British Empire, but to the world. When speaking of our foreign policy, it rejoices in the cooperation between France and this country; but it abstains from conveying any ministerial approbation of alterations in the domestic laws of that country which aim at the suppression of public liberty, and the checking of public discussion, such as call for individual reprobation, and which I reprobate as much as any one. I should like to know whether there is a statesman in the country who will get up in this House and avow his approval of such proceedings on the part of the French government. I know it may be done out of the House amid the cheers of an assembly of friends; but the government have, in my opinion, wisely abstained from reprobating such measures in the speech, while they have properly exulted in such a union of the two countries as will contribute to the national independence and the public liberty of Europe.

Years are coming over me, but my heart is as young and as ready as ever in the service of my country, of which I glory in being the pensionary and the hired advocate. I stand in a situation in which no man ever stood yet -- the faithful friend of my country -- its servant -- its stave, if you will -- I speak its sentiments by turns to you and to itself. I require no £20,000,000 on behalf of Ireland -- I ask you only for justice: will you -- can you -- I will not say dare you refuse, because that would make you turn the other way. I implore you, as English gentlemen, to take this matter into consideration now, because you never had such an opportunity of conciliating. Experience makes fools wise; you are not fools, but you have yet to be convinced. I cannot forget the year 1825. We begged then as we would for a beggar's boon; we asked for emancipation by all that is sacred amongst us, and I remember how my speech and person were treated on the Treasury Bench, when I had no opportunity of reply. The other place turned us out and sent us back again, but we showed that justice was with us. The noble lord says the other place has declared the same sentiments with himself; but he could not use a worse argument. It is the very reason why we should acquiesce in the measure of reform, for we have no hope from that House -- all our hopes are centered in this; and I am the living representative of those hopes. I have no other reason for adhering to the ministry than because they, the chosen representatives of the people of England, are anxiously determined to give the same measure of reform to Ireland as that which England has received. I have not fatigued myself, but the House, in coming forward upon this occasion. I may be laughed and sneered at by those who talk of my power; but what has created it but the injustice that has been done in Ireland? That is the end and the means of the magic, if you please -- the groundwork of my influence in Ireland. If you refuse justice to that country, it is a melancholy consideration to me to think that you are adding substantially to that power and influence, while you are wounding my country to its very heart's core; weakening that throne, the monarch who sits upon which, you say you respect; severing that union which, you say, is bound together by the tightest links, and withholding that justice from Ireland which she will not cease to seek till it is obtained; every man must admit that the course I am taking is the legitimate and proper course -- I defy any man to say it is not. Condemn me elsewhere as much as you please, but this you must admit. You may taunt the ministry with having coalesced me, you may raise the vulgar cry of "Irishman and Papist" against me, you may send out men called ministers of God to slander and calumniate me; they may assume whatever garb they please, but the question comes into this narrow compass. I demand, I respectfully insist: on equal justice for Ireland, on the same principle by which it has been administered to Scotland and England. I will not take less. Refuse me that if you can.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Canada Sucks

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Canada Sucks

That's deep and insightful.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Canada Sucks

That's deep and insightful.

     Indeed. Is he referring to the country, or more metaphorically, to the people? Does he mean suck in as it's not great or as in it's impressive when it comes to making vacumn cleaner-like motions? The questions are endless!

[minionofmidas]

Canada Sucks

That's deep and insightful.

     Indeed. Is he referring to the country, or more metaphorically, to the people? Does he mean suck in as it's not great or as in it's impressive when it comes to making vacumn cleaner-like motions? The questions are endless!

I think he's referring to the Liberal candidate in Baie James - Abitibi - whatnot, whose surname is Canada.

[Хahar 🤔]

Canada Sucks

That's deep and insightful.

It sure is.



If I've missed anything or added anything which is not actually there, please tell me and I'll fix it. Big version.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

You forgot that he hates Hindus

[Хahar 🤔]

You forgot that he hates Hindus

Does he? I wasn't aware. I'll fix it.

[Bacon King]

lol DWTL hates Hindus? I mean, on top of all of his other crazy contradicting beliefs its not that suprising, but where in the world does that come from?

[DownWithTheLeft]

Canada Sucks

That's deep and insightful.

It sure is.



If I've missed anything or added anything which is not actually there, please tell me and I'll fix it. Big version.

That's funny I must admit.  But seriously Xahar too much time on your times.  As for my original quote, it comes from this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud--Ib8PKco

[DownWithTheLeft]

lol DWTL hates Hindus? I mean, on top of all of his other crazy contradicting beliefs its not that suprising, but where in the world does that come from?

Long story.  But as stated before, I don't hate all Hindus.  Although I must admit I have problem discriminating against people for bad choices they've made in life

[Хahar 🤔]

Canada Sucks

That's deep and insightful.

It sure is.



If I've missed anything or added anything which is not actually there, please tell me and I'll fix it. Big version.

That's funny I must admit.  But seriously Xahar too much time on your times.  As for my original quote, it comes from this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud--Ib8PKco

Yes, I know. To both of those. It took me about an hour and a half yesterday morning.