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« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2008, 11:31:03 PM »

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France is further from England than Russia is from Alaska.

Proximity has consequences.

Nutmeg made a good point....  I highly doubt any Russian troops are just sort of chillin in East Siberia ready to pounce on West Alaska.  it'd take weeks of preparation by the Russians to get the personnel in place in order to pull this off.  I'm not sure what they'd do once they got to W. Alaska, either, but perhaps you can answer that for me.

Or why they would try something the Soviet Union never did.
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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2008, 11:32:53 PM »

McCain and Co better coach ole gal up some more.
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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2008, 11:33:31 PM »

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France is further from England than Russia is from Alaska.

Proximity has consequences.

Nutmeg made a good point....  I highly doubt any Russian troops are just sort of chillin in East Siberia ready to pounce on West Alaska.  it'd take weeks of preparation by the Russians to get the personnel in place in order to pull this off.  I'm not sure what they'd do once they got to W. Alaska, either, but perhaps you can answer that for me.

Or why they would try something the Soviet Union never did.

why are we arguing with this moron?
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« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2008, 11:34:31 PM »

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France is further from England than Russia is from Alaska.

Proximity has consequences.

Nutmeg made a good point....  I highly doubt any Russian troops are just sort of chillin in East Siberia ready to pounce on West Alaska.  it'd take weeks of preparation by the Russians to get the personnel in place in order to pull this off.  I'm not sure what they'd do once they got to W. Alaska, either, but perhaps you can answer that for me.

Or why they would try something the Soviet Union never did.

why are we arguing with this moron?

Good point. After all I chastised people for arguing with Hawkeye.
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« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2008, 11:35:32 PM »

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Because Putin is insane.
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« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2008, 11:36:51 PM »

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Because Putin is insane.

I really don't think hes that stupid enough to ignite a war with the United States.
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« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2008, 11:40:11 PM »

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What if Putin decided that he wanted Alaska back? What if Alaska was the goal rather than the lower 48? Are you suggesting that it would be impossible to pull off? That no invasion over the Bering Straight could possibly be successful?

Fact is, Russia could take Alaska relatively quickly.

Obama would quickly surrender the territory in pursuit of "peace at all costs." It would be Chamberlain appeasement all over again.

McCain would not surrender any part of our nation in such a scenario.
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« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2008, 11:40:47 PM »

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Obama wouldn't go to war. He's a peace at all costs kinda guy.
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« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2008, 11:42:47 PM »

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Obama wouldn't go to war. He's a peace at all costs kinda guy.

As opposed to McCain and Palin who wish for retaliations against countries like Iran and Russia? WWIII is awsome...right?
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« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2008, 11:44:55 PM »

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Not to mention, crazy guys do crazy things.

How quickly we all forget.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpwdcmjBgNA
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« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2008, 11:45:51 PM »

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So you are suggesting that we hand over Alaska to Putin if he wants it?

Obama wouldn't defend this country, McCain and Palin would.

In fact, McCain already has.
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« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2008, 11:46:30 PM »

HAHA people really think there is a chance Russia invades the US. Seriously get off that acid.
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« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2008, 11:48:50 PM »

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So said the people who believed 9-11 couldn't happen here.
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« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2008, 11:49:31 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU1bmFoYPPo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzfF6E-tx7o
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« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2008, 11:52:55 PM »

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So said the people who believed 9-11 couldn't happen here.

An invasion is a little different from a terrorist attack innit? We have the best military intelligence on this earth and we could easily find out such plans weeks before the invasion. You don't just move hundreds of thousands of men and their equipment clandestinely. Anyways what motive would Russia have to invade the most powerful nation on earth? If they didn't do it during the cold war, I doubt they would do it now. Putin is a power hungry bitch but he also loves money. Invading the US is totally against all russian interests. 
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« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2008, 11:54:01 PM »

I was confused by Gibson's characterization of the Bush Doctrine. I hadn't realized that it had morphed from its initial sense of "you are either with us or against us." That was used to define enemy countries in terms of their support for terrorists.
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« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2008, 11:54:33 PM »


These reagan ads are pretty cute. Irrelevant but cute.
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« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2008, 11:55:04 PM »

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1. A President Obama would gut the military, destroy our intelligence networks, and leave us virtually defenseless against a host of enemies.

2. Hitler also believed that he would have known about any attempt at an invasion, long before it was set in motion.

He was wrong.
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« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2008, 11:55:04 PM »

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Because Putin is insane.

Putin is not dangerous because he's insane: he's dangerous because he's extremely intelligent and calculating.

The Russians would not invade Alaska: their long-term geopolitical goal is to expand to their four coasts: the Pacific (done), the Baltic (done, partially: St. Petersburg is vulnerable to being cut off), the Black Sea (done, partially, no good port in the territory they control: they'd want Crimea), and the Indian Ocean. Alaska does not fit into this goal, which I suspect is part of the reason they were willing to sell it in the first place. And unlike Americans, they think in the very, very long term.

Also, the logistics of invading Alaska are pretty mind-boggling. Petropalovsk, the main Russian base on Kamchakta, has to be resupplied by sea because the cost of sending goods over long, sparsely populated distances is too high. Not to mention the fact that if they were so crazy as to invade Alaska, they'd face a militia in every town they tried to occupy, and would constantly have to deal with the USN and USAF interdicting their supply lines.
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« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2008, 11:55:50 PM »

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Think about it.

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« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2008, 11:57:29 PM »

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So you are suggesting that we hand over Alaska to Putin if he wants it?

Obama wouldn't defend this country, McCain and Palin would.

In fact, McCain already has.

Putin doesn't want Alaska...if he did it would have already been invaded. Quit being paranoid.

I believe personally both Obama and McCain are interested in keeping our country safe...and believing one wont while the other will is really retarded. Though im not surprised coming from someone like you so its fine.
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« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2008, 11:58:47 PM »

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He is insane, intelligent and calculating. Which is why we wouldn't want a President Obama facing him down.

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There would be no military response from an Obama presidency.

There would be (justifiably) from a McCain presidency.
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« Reply #47 on: September 11, 2008, 11:59:36 PM »

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1. A President Obama would gut the military, destroy our intelligence networks, and leave us virtually defenseless against a host of enemies.

2. Hitler also believed that he would have known about any attempt at an invasion, long before it was set in motion.

He was wrong.

1. right, becuase he's a terrorist Muslim homosexual Manchurian candidate

2. Hitler's military genius is vastly overrated. The Civilized World owes a great degree of it's survival to the fact that he got along so poorly with Model, Mannstein, and Rommel, and so well with Goering.
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« Reply #48 on: September 11, 2008, 11:59:44 PM »

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We have already had one president that gutted the military, crippled our intelligence network, and made 9-11 possible.

His name was Clinton.

Obama would be worse.
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« Reply #49 on: September 12, 2008, 12:01:29 AM »

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No, he is a raving liberal. Liberals loath the military. That's what they do.

"Barack Obama: I’m the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning; and as President, I will end it. Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending. I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of Future Combat Systems. I will institute an independent Defense Priorities Board to ensure that the Quadrennial Review is not used to justify unnecessary defense spending. Third, I will set a goal for a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal: I will not develop nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert, and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenal."

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He still believed that he would know about an invasion beforehand. His generals believed so as well.
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