Do Neo-Con's hurt the G.O.P

[raggage]

Does the presence in senior party positions of so called Neo-Conservatives (Santorum, Ashcroft etc) hurt the Republican party on a national level?

Do you think many independant and swing voters see the GOP as getting too conservative?

I say yes.

[Bono]

I wouldn't say Ascroft and Santorum are neocins, but I'd say the neo-conservatives hurt the GOP big time. They've turned Clinton's big government into Bush's big, big government and they've wasted billions of dollars of taxpayers' money just to serve their belic delusions de grandeur.

[raggage]

Santorum and Ashcroft are not really neo-conservatives.  They both are more traditional/mainstream conservatives.  

Mainstream.... They are both on the far right of the GOP. Inhofe isn't far off either.

[12th Doctor]

Does anyone acctually know what a neo-con is?  Apparently not, based on what I am reading.

A neo-con is basically a John F. Kennedy/Hubert Humphrey voter who became disenfranchised with the Democrats during the 70's and joined the Republicans either in 76 or 80, mostly over Defense issues, Israel, Preventing the spread of Communism and a handfull of Domestic Issues,all of which they felt the Democrats had gone too far Left on.

Neo-cons are typically quite moderate, save on a few issues.  They are usually Northerners.  They are Reaganites.  They are usually anit-abotion, etc., but are not members of the religious right.  They usually support education spending, but also reform.  They support Welfare spending, but also reform.

In short, they are me.  I wasn't around at the time, but I do most closely identify with the movement.

[TeePee4Prez]

Does anyone acctually know what a neo-con is?  Apparently not, based on what I am reading.

A neo-con is basically a John F. Kennedy/Hubert Humphrey voter who became disenfranchised with the Democrats during the 70's and joined the Republicans either in 76 or 80, mostly over Defense issues, Israel, Preventing the spread of Communism and a handfull of Domestic Issues,all of which they felt the Democrats had gone too far Left on.

Neo-cons are typically quite moderate, save on a few issues.  They are usually Northerners.  They are Reaganites.  They are usually anit-abotion, etc., but are not members of the religious right.  They usually support education spending, but also reform.  They support Welfare spending, but also reform.

In short, they are me.  I wasn't around at the time, but I do most closely identify with the movement.

Funny you mentioned this definition super.  This definitely describes a lot of Northeast Philadelphia voters albeit working class Irish, Italian, or Polish Catholics.  Mostly all of them voted for JFK yet they became the typical "Reagan Democrat".  I read an article in our local paper that said a lot of Polish Catholics were Reaganites becuase of his hard stance on Communism which makes sense.  As you know I am FAR from a neo-con, but I have a few relatives that are.  It's funny though not every Irish, Italian, or Polish Catholic became neo-cons and still side with the Democrats on economic issues and in fact a good number haven't.  That's why families such as mine and maybe KeystonePhil's are swing voters.  New term of the day- "Dinner table battleground".    

[Keystone Phil]

Does anyone acctually know what a neo-con is?  Apparently not, based on what I am reading.

A neo-con is basically a John F. Kennedy/Hubert Humphrey voter who became disenfranchised with the Democrats during the 70's and joined the Republicans either in 76 or 80, mostly over Defense issues, Israel, Preventing the spread of Communism and a handfull of Domestic Issues,all of which they felt the Democrats had gone too far Left on.

Neo-cons are typically quite moderate, save on a few issues.  They are usually Northerners.  They are Reaganites.  They are usually anit-abotion, etc., but are not members of the religious right.  They usually support education spending, but also reform.  They support Welfare spending, but also reform.

In short, they are me.  I wasn't around at the time, but I do most closely identify with the movement.

That's why families such as mine and maybe KeystonePhil's are swing voters.  New term of the day- "Dinner table battleground".    

My family is almost always votes straight Republican. It's rare if my parents ever vote for a Democrat.

[NYGOP]

Does the presence in senior party positions of so called Neo-Conservatives (Santorum, Ashcroft etc) hurt the Republican party on a national level?

Do you think many independant and swing voters see the GOP as getting too conservative?

I say yes.

You don't know what a neo-con is do you? Wolfowitz(member of the Socialist Party USA) is a neo-con. A neo-con is a liberal that is a foreign policy hawk.

[opebo]

Neo-cons are not very good for the G.O.P., but the christian conservative movement is worse.  

[NYGOP]

Neo-cons are not very good for the G.O.P., but the christian conservative movement is worse.  

The CR is virtually indestinguishable from the the neo-cons in many respects. They are both pro-big government conservatism and usually run in the same circles. They feed off of each other. It's why neo-cons like Wolfowitz and CRers like Bush and Ashcroft can work together in the same administration. The neo-cons vary greatly on social issues, running from near CR to social libertarians.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Does the presence in senior party positions of so called Neo-Conservatives (Santorum, Ashcroft etc) hurt the Republican party on a national level?

Do you think many independant and swing voters see the GOP as getting too conservative?

I say yes.

You don't know what a neo-con is do you? Wolfowitz(member of the Socialist Party USA) is a neo-con. A neo-con is a liberal that is a foreign policy hawk.

you mean the Social Democrats USA? That group is really just a right wing front.

[The Duke]

raggage obviously has no clue what a neocon is.  I think super gave a good definition.

Neocons are not only good for the GOP, they are what makes the GOP sellable to most Americans.  America will never back a cold hearted, calculating party.  The neocons have replaced the pessimistic views of Goldwater and Taft with the Reagan legacy of optimism.

As for the folks who raggage lsited, the Christian Right, they are also good for the GOP.  America will always have one party that gives a welcoming home to religious people, the GOp is now that party.

[NYGOP]

Does the presence in senior party positions of so called Neo-Conservatives (Santorum, Ashcroft etc) hurt the Republican party on a national level?

Do you think many independant and swing voters see the GOP as getting too conservative?

I say yes.

You don't know what a neo-con is do you? Wolfowitz(member of the Socialist Party USA) is a neo-con. A neo-con is a liberal that is a foreign policy hawk.

you mean the Social Democrats USA? That group is really just a right wing front.

It's a member of the Socialist International. So obviously the group that contains the Labour Party, the SDP, PSOE, and Le Parti Socialiste doesn't think that it's a right wing front.

[12th Doctor]

raggage obviously has no clue what a neocon is.  I think super gave a good definition.

Neocons are not only good for the GOP, they are what makes the GOP sellable to most Americans.  America will never back a cold hearted, calculating party.  The neocons have replaced the pessimistic views of Goldwater and Taft with the Reagan legacy of optimism.

As for the folks who raggage lsited, the Christian Right, they are also good for the GOP.  America will always have one party that gives a welcoming home to religious people, the GOp is now that party.

Bingo

[Citizen James]

As for the folks who raggage lsited, the Christian Right, they are also good for the GOP.  America will always have one party that gives a welcoming home to religious people, the GOp is now that party.

Religous people are quite welcome in the Democratic party.  It's the religious conservatives who wish to remove or weaken the seperation between church and state (Specificly their church and the state - religions have a fairly wide variety of beliefs, even within a single faith such as Christianity), who would not fit in.

[Brambila]

Does anyone acctually know what a neo-con is?  Apparently not, based on what I am reading.

A neo-con is basically a John F. Kennedy/Hubert Humphrey voter who became disenfranchised with the Democrats during the 70's and joined the Republicans either in 76 or 80, mostly over Defense issues, Israel, Preventing the spread of Communism and a handfull of Domestic Issues,all of which they felt the Democrats had gone too far Left on.

Neo-cons are typically quite moderate, save on a few issues.  They are usually Northerners.  They are Reaganites.  They are usually anit-abotion, etc., but are not members of the religious right.  They usually support education spending, but also reform.  They support Welfare spending, but also reform.

In short, they are me.  I wasn't around at the time, but I do most closely identify with the movement.

I was going to say something similar. Neo-conservatives arn't really that conservative, their what they are- "New" conservatives. Bush is a neo-conservative, it would say. Cheney is quite a neo-conservative as well. Neither Santorum nor Ashcroft are neo-conservatives, but, as posters have said, traditional conservatives.

James, religious arn't welcome in the democratic party. Only 20% of democratics practice their religion, I believe.