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« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2008, 01:30:24 PM »


You asked:

"Look at those mean Democrats and leftist lapdogs the liberal media attacking Sweet Sarah Palin.  Those Democrats hate women an motherhood."

It keeps the base rallied and might even help with some swing voters.

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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2008, 01:42:45 PM »

It appears that you have a rather low opinion of the intelligence of the voters JJ.
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« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2008, 01:47:16 PM »

Palin press may boycott UN conference Kenneth P. Vogel
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NEW YORK – Journalists, displeased with Sarah Palin’s efforts to restrict their access to her, are threatening not to cover her events surrounding the United Nations conference here unless they're allowed more access.

The unfolding boycott is the latest development in a rocky relationship between Palin’s handlers and the press, in which the campaign has sought to tightly control her interactions with the media.

The campaign had originally indicated that the print reporters following her campaign would be among the small group of journalists allowed to attend the so-called “pool sprays” before Palin’s meetings with dignitaries on the sidelines of the U.N. meetings.

The sprays are basically glorified photo opportunities during which journalists can snap photos and film footage and – if they’re lucky – shout a question or two at Palin and her company before she adjourns for private meetings. On Tuesday, those meetings were to include Afghan President Karzai and former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.

But the imbroglio began developing Tuesday morning when Palin’s handlers informed the small print press contingent covering her campaign that the print reporter designated to cover the events, Elizabeth Holmes of the Wall Street Journal, would not be allowed to cover the sprays.

The campaign’s reasoning was that there were not going to be questions or statements at the sprays, so they were only appropriate for photographers and cameramen.

The campaign also at first moved to bar CNN, the television network designated for pool duty, from sending its editorial producer – basically a hybrid print/video journalist – though the campaign budged when the network threatened to withhold its cameras as well.

With Palin’s first meeting set to begin at noon, that leaves the print reporters on the outs.

UPDATE: After shutting the print pooler, Holmes, out of the spray before Palin’s meeting with Afghan President Karzai—“rudely,” according to Holmes—the campaign relented and agreed to let her cover the sprays before Palin’s next two meetings, with Colombian President Uribe and Kissinger. Updated story forthcoming.
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Why should the press continue to give the Palin/McCain campaign free air time if they refuse to let the press ask her questions?

That's called gaming the system, and two sides can play that game.
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« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2008, 02:20:10 PM »
« Edited: September 23, 2008, 02:23:15 PM by sbane »

Palin press may boycott UN conference Kenneth P. Vogel
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NEW YORK – Journalists, displeased with Sarah Palin’s efforts to restrict their access to her, are threatening not to cover her events surrounding the United Nations conference here unless they're allowed more access.

The unfolding boycott is the latest development in a rocky relationship between Palin’s handlers and the press, in which the campaign has sought to tightly control her interactions with the media.

The campaign had originally indicated that the print reporters following her campaign would be among the small group of journalists allowed to attend the so-called “pool sprays” before Palin’s meetings with dignitaries on the sidelines of the U.N. meetings.

The sprays are basically glorified photo opportunities during which journalists can snap photos and film footage and – if they’re lucky – shout a question or two at Palin and her company before she adjourns for private meetings. On Tuesday, those meetings were to include Afghan President Karzai and former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.

But the imbroglio began developing Tuesday morning when Palin’s handlers informed the small print press contingent covering her campaign that the print reporter designated to cover the events, Elizabeth Holmes of the Wall Street Journal, would not be allowed to cover the sprays.

The campaign’s reasoning was that there were not going to be questions or statements at the sprays, so they were only appropriate for photographers and cameramen.

The campaign also at first moved to bar CNN, the television network designated for pool duty, from sending its editorial producer – basically a hybrid print/video journalist – though the campaign budged when the network threatened to withhold its cameras as well.

With Palin’s first meeting set to begin at noon, that leaves the print reporters on the outs.

UPDATE: After shutting the print pooler, Holmes, out of the spray before Palin’s meeting with Afghan President Karzai—“rudely,” according to Holmes—the campaign relented and agreed to let her cover the sprays before Palin’s next two meetings, with Colombian President Uribe and Kissinger. Updated story forthcoming.
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So you don't think Palin should have to answer questions? We don't know jack sh**t about her you do realize that? People excuse the inexperience argument by countering that Obama himself is inexperienced. But the difference is that Obama has taken countless numbers of questions from reporters and people. He has been covered like a celebrity for these last two years and I think people have a pretty good idea of who he is and what he believes in. We don't know anything about Palin and whether she is up to the task.
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« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2008, 02:21:18 PM »

It appears that you have a rather low opinion of the intelligence of the voters JJ.

No, of the Press, for falling for it.  They've played their parts to the hilt, especially MSNBC and the NYT.
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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2008, 02:22:51 PM »


There's nothing wrong with this. 
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« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2008, 02:32:10 PM »


There's nothing wrong with this. 

There's nothing wrong with CNN and other media outlets exercising discretion and refusing to cover certain Palin events either.
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« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2008, 02:38:43 PM »

The New York Times was wrong in using false information about Sarah Palin's connections to the AIP, but how the hell does that give the campaign the right to kick all reporters out of events? That seems to be the connection ghostmonkey at least is trying to make here...
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« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2008, 02:48:46 PM »


So you don't think Palin should have to answer questions? We don't know jack sh**t about her you do realize that? People excuse the inexperience argument by countering that Obama himself is inexperienced. But the difference is that Obama has taken countless numbers of questions from reporters and people. He has been covered like a celebrity for these last two years and I think people have a pretty good idea of who he is and what he believes in. We don't know anything about Palin and whether she is up to the task.

Wrong, Sbane, I do think she needs to answer questions.  I doubt this is the venue for it, but yes, I think she needs more Q & A time.  The press are a bunch of crybabies though.
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« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2008, 03:15:59 PM »


There's nothing wrong with this. 

There's nothing wrong with CNN and other media outlets exercising discretion and refusing to cover certain Palin events either.

Yup, nothing wrong with that either.  They are free to cover what they want, and if they miss covering a story, they have the cash reserves to buy the material from a third-party source.
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« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2008, 04:43:43 PM »

Examples?
Anything untrue the media wrote about her?

Probably you just don't want to believe she is like Bush, Ghostmonkey.
Don't deny the obvious. Wink

How about, for starters, the front page New York Times story claiming Palin to be a member of the Alaska Independence Party.

Her husband is a member but whatever. I wonder what would happen if Michelle Obama was a part of some seperatist black political group.......

Haven't you heard?  She is!  The supposedly liberal media are just covering it up. 
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« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2008, 04:56:23 PM »

Examples?
Anything untrue the media wrote about her?

Probably you just don't want to believe she is like Bush, Ghostmonkey.
Don't deny the obvious. Wink

How about, for starters, the front page New York Times story claiming Palin to be a member of the Alaska Independence Party.

Her husband is a member but whatever. I wonder what would happen if Michelle Obama was a part of some seperatist black political group.......

Haven't you heard?  She is!  The supposedly liberal media are just covering it up. 

speaking of which, I'm still waiting on that whitey tape.
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« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2008, 05:14:10 PM »

The idea that the press is entitled to cover any meeting they wish to cover is ludicrous, and if the press does throw a hissyfit over this, it helps the McCain/Palin ticket.  By "hissyfit" I mean deciding to not cover other Palin photo-ops where they are allowed access because they couldn't get in to the ones they wanted to.  Pointing out that Palin is ducking public scrutiny of her meetings with foreign leaders doesn't fall into the category of hissyfit at all.
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« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2008, 05:21:03 PM »

Exactly.
So Palin and these people should not be angry if there are more stories about her, because she is not going against them.
Even in those talks, there will always be a leak.
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« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2008, 02:09:16 AM »

The GOP apologists for Palin would be hilarious if they weren't so serious in their defense of her. They are falling for the oldest bait-and-switch in the book with these "myths" they are debunking. It's called sitting up a strawman argument and then channeling all their energy into fighting a ghost so they could feel good about being hoodwinked by their party.

As someone who has voted Democratic, Republican and Independent, it is really quite sad to see so many Republicans abandon critical thinking and leap on the Palin-as-victim-of-the-liberal-media bandwagon that seems to be so popular with some elements of the Far Right.
Sarah Palin is no more qualified to be vice-president that the mayor of any city with a population of less than 10,000 people. McCain appealed to the raw, undisciplined emotions of the mostly anti-intellectual rural voters who were oh so eager to take insult at Obama's "guns and religion" comment this spring. 

Republicans justify Palin's lies and near-slander in her convention speech by citing how sh**tty the New York Times is as a paper, as if they have to have some moral equivalent of Fox News to throw back at all these imaginary "libs" who are threatening their hold on reality. It's pathetic, as bad as the Democrats' incessant whining when Reagan was president.

Not all Republicans are like this, thank God, but that McCain would appeal to the most insecure and reactionary segment of the party in thrusting the manipulative and vidictive Palin on the American People speaks volumes about his priorities, not to mention his enormous ego and obvious guilt-shame complex for his past failings as a military man. McCain himself even writes about his guilt on this topic in his autobiography.

The McCain-Palin ticket represents the worst of America: Petty, shallow, willfully ignorant, stubborn to the point of self-defeat. They are like a two-headed monster growing from the same Republican Party that gave us the Bushes and their ilk. They are not friends of the American Way but rather beholden to and dependant upon a strange disconnect that has prevailed in the GOP since at least the Iran-Contra affair: When the media uncovers some ugly truth about Republican politicians, a certain segment of the populace is automatically encouraged by the standard right-wing, quasi-fascist blame-the-media paranoia to tune out the truth about their candidate and spew venom at the messenger instead.

It's childish, it's not at all becoming of an educated American, and it's wearing thin.  Unless the GOP is successful in suppressing the vote this year in several states like they were in Ohio in 2004, it isn't going to work anymore. That heretofore entrenced segment of hate-the-liberal, hate-the-media voting bloc the GOP has counted on the last 28 years will be forced to grow up politically, whether they like it or not.

And to the Republicans who have become so good at taking political criticisms personally and dreaming up wild liberal-media conspiracies at the first mention of anything the least bit critical of Sarah Palin, relax. What you are going through now is the same thing that happened to liberals at the end of the 1970s, after some 20 years of shaping the direction of policy in Washington. The same knuckleheads who dreamed up school busing were shuffled to the sidelines of history, where they will soon be joined by the knuckleheads who dreamed up abstinence-only education and a thinly disguised fear of science known  as Creationism.
A belief in evolution and a belief in the Christian God are not mutually exclusive. A belief in the theological underpinning of the "Left Behind" series and science, however...well, that just doesn't sit too well together.

So this will be a watershed election, and if America stays true to the spirit of renewal and self-cleansing and underlying optimism that brought us this far, Obama will win and win big. He will not be a perfect president, but he will be a better one than McCain could ever hope to be.  If the GOP somehow manages to wrest another election away and thwart the voters' will,  I am sure I won't be the only American remembering the words of Thomas Jefferson:

"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Getting to know Palin - is 66 days long enough?
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/1310313-palin-mccain
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« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2008, 02:37:16 AM »

Thank you for more inane hackery Dumditty.
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« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2008, 02:46:03 AM »

I notice a lot of objective political blogs (Well, Ambinder, Ben Smith, and JMart) are starting to really ramp up their criticism of Palin as sort of the "no talk express."  The major news stations revolted and had to blackmail and refuse to cover Palin just to get a commentator to be with the TV cameras.  CBS just got slightly blacklisted from the McCain campaign for having a reporter ask Palin a question about the bailout during an "off the record" session at a diner. 

No press conference, only one interview and a Sean Hannity interview (which is basically "Tell me why Obama's campaign has been unfair to you?"), the press is really ankling.  I can tell when they post sarcastic videos in their blogs of her "informing the press" this or "asking the press" that but then refusing to actually talk to the press after making those statements. 

The Palin phenom is a moneymaker, the press needs access in order to write stories and make their jobs profitable and the news agencies need to run those stories to keep afloat.  It could very well be a mistake to bite the media's hand, especially with the McCain campaigns recent broadsides fired at Politico and the NYT.  The amount of protectiveness surrounding Palin, is, in the media's perspective, astronomical and bizarre.

The media needs to be tossed a bone every now and then, not be progressively cut off.
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« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2008, 02:47:35 AM »

lol so ridiculous.
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« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2008, 03:08:22 AM »

I think the Governor has every right to do this. The media's been treating her poorly, and she's just pushing back.

Also, I like it when someone gives the media the finger. Grin Stick it to those disingenuous and sensationalist bastards. Smiley
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« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2008, 03:12:37 AM »

I think the Governor has every right to do this. The media's been treating her poorly, and she's just pushing back.

Also, I like it when someone gives the media the finger. Grin Stick it to those disingenuous and sensationalist bastards. Smiley

So the American public is not entitled to ask her questions? Roll Eyes The media is our vehicle to do that since we can't all personally have our hour with Mrs Palin.
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« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2008, 03:17:42 AM »

I think the Governor has every right to do this. The media's been treating her poorly, and she's just pushing back.

Also, I like it when someone gives the media the finger. Grin Stick it to those disingenuous and sensationalist bastards. Smiley

So the American public is not entitled to ask her questions? Roll Eyes The media is our vehicle to do that since we can't all personally have our hour with Mrs Palin.

I know the Governor was blasted when her daughter said she was going to have a kid. Senator Obama was born to a single, teenage mother. (A fact he reminded reporters of when they first got this story) Did they lambaste him or his mother?
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« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2008, 03:22:49 AM »

I think the Governor has every right to do this. The media's been treating her poorly, and she's just pushing back.

Also, I like it when someone gives the media the finger. Grin Stick it to those disingenuous and sensationalist bastards. Smiley

So the American public is not entitled to ask her questions? Roll Eyes The media is our vehicle to do that since we can't all personally have our hour with Mrs Palin.

I know the Governor was blasted when her daughter said she was going to have a kid. Senator Obama was born to a single, teenage mother. (A fact he reminded reporters of when they first got this story) Did they lambaste him or his mother?

Don't equate dailykos with the media. I didn't see anybody in the mainstream media criticizing her daughter or Palin. Maybe they also pointed out that Palin does not support sex ed, which has been shown to reduce the rate of unwanted pregnancies. If they did I do not see it as an attack but rather they were just pointing out her stance on an issue that was hitting close to home for her. If you really think they attacked her you gotta show me some proof.
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« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2008, 03:30:30 AM »
« Edited: September 24, 2008, 03:32:01 AM by Lunar »

I think the Governor has every right to do this. The media's been treating her poorly, and she's just pushing back.

Also, I like it when someone gives the media the finger. Grin Stick it to those disingenuous and sensationalist bastards. Smiley

^From Sbane: I don't remember any outlet covering the sex-ed thing either. 
 
Attacking the media only works when they are attacking you.  If they are just normal reporterstrying to get information to write some stories, attacking them is stupid.

Like it or not the sensationalist media determines a large amount of public perception and the public likes those sensationalist stories (why the public doesn't watch C-SPAN).  Not holding a single press conference, Q&A sesh, or more the one real interview until tomorrow is being protective, not sticking it to anyone, and that's how it's going to be seen. 

Maybe the hope is that by stopping Palin from getting interviewed, she can remain aloft and maintain her star-power?  If she gets pulled down to what her position on the mortgage crisis is, what her old church just did, and so on, she might become more of what Obama has become: a generic politician.

But the media has been getting really rankled.  The reporters who sit idly, carted around on the press plane but denied access to events, and can't write a single story for two weeks are less than pleased and are starting to become suspicious. 

They'll forget it all, McCain hopes, after the debates when Palin has been fully briefed on all the issues and finally grants a few Q&A's, but I've written a bunch about their recent attacks on the media too, and this has gotten ridiculous.  Attacking the NYT (calling it no longer a journalism, and falsely citing things its failed to cover), and then accusing one of Politico's top reporters and doers of being "in the tank" for Obama is absurd.  Denying CNN their mild and solid-reporting editorialist to cover Karzai, a fairly mild change overall, is absurd.  Punishing CBS for their reporter asking Palin a question is absurd.

Obama's been treated FAR worse than McCain/Palin has in the last week or two by FOX/Drudge/etc. but he's not going to war with the outlets.  It's not about the candidate vs. the media except when the media oversteps its boundaries, then you call foul, the rest of the media gangs up on the offending outlet, and everyone backs off, giving you some breathing room.  Calling an extreme foul when there is none is bad, bad, bad.
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« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2008, 03:33:21 AM »

I understand she doesn't HAVE to speak to reporters but blocking them and pushing them away isnt going to get you anywhere either. That'll just get you more enemies and negative press....something you dont want in a Presidential Election.

Shes just taking the easy way out. "Oh if I just ignore them it'll all go away....la de da..."
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« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2008, 04:39:00 AM »

Don't equate dailykos with the media. I didn't see anybody in the mainstream media criticizing her daughter or Palin. Maybe they also pointed out that Palin does not support sex ed, which has been shown to reduce the rate of unwanted pregnancies. If they did I do not see it as an attack but rather they were just pointing out her stance on an issue that was hitting close to home for her. If you really think they attacked her you gotta show me some proof.

This website lists some instances. Maybe some of those were genuine mistakes. But their track record, when it is the truth versus sensationalism, is not encouraging. I'm not inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. This has some interesting points that I never would have thought of.

^From Sbane: I don't remember any outlet covering the sex-ed thing either. 
 
Attacking the media only works when they are attacking you.  If they are just normal reporterstrying to get information to write some stories, attacking them is stupid.

Like it or not the sensationalist media determines a large amount of public perception and the public likes those sensationalist stories (why the public doesn't watch C-SPAN).  Not holding a single press conference, Q&A sesh, or more the one real interview until tomorrow is being protective, not sticking it to anyone, and that's how it's going to be seen. 

Maybe the hope is that by stopping Palin from getting interviewed, she can remain aloft and maintain her star-power?  If she gets pulled down to what her position on the mortgage crisis is, what her old church just did, and so on, she might become more of what Obama has become: a generic politician.

But the media has been getting really rankled.  The reporters who sit idly, carted around on the press plane but denied access to events, and can't write a single story for two weeks are less than pleased and are starting to become suspicious. 

They'll forget it all, McCain hopes, after the debates when Palin has been fully briefed on all the issues and finally grants a few Q&A's, but I've written a bunch about their recent attacks on the media too, and this has gotten ridiculous.  Attacking the NYT (calling it no longer a journalism, and falsely citing things its failed to cover), and then accusing one of Politico's top reporters and doers of being "in the tank" for Obama is absurd.  Denying CNN their mild and solid-reporting editorialist to cover Karzai, a fairly mild change overall, is absurd.  Punishing CBS for their reporter asking Palin a question is absurd.

Obama's been treated FAR worse than McCain/Palin has in the last week or two by FOX/Drudge/etc. but he's not going to war with the outlets.  It's not about the candidate vs. the media except when the media oversteps its boundaries, then you call foul, the rest of the media gangs up on the offending outlet, and everyone backs off, giving you some breathing room.  Calling an extreme foul when there is none is bad, bad, bad.

The mass media really gets on my nerves a lot. They spout celebrity gossip, cry loudly when something bad happens to a white female, ect. That's why it makes me happy when someone tells those clowns off. It makes me think, "Yay, someone's just as pissed off as me." Tongue But I know that NBC's coverage of Sarah Palin has been so horrible, that the McCain hasn't granted them any interviews in a long while. If doing that gets them to refocus themselves even a little, I think it serves a purpose. If it doesn't, oh well. There have got to be some honest journalists out there who deserve an interview with a high profile politician.

I know, I know. I'm extremely cynical towards the media. But I like it that way. Grin
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