Fox Hunting...

[English]

The protest has degenerated into a drunken riot

Ha ha! Good.
Bring in the Army I say!  

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Reports of petrol bombs being thrown...

Y'know sending in the Army might be a good idea...

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Five nutters broke into the Commons Chamber a bit ago: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3656524.stm

Stupid Thugs.

A few minutes ago the Commons voted to ban hunting by a huge majority

[migrendel]

I support banning fox hunting as a matter of prevention of cruelty to animals. However, I see no reason why it should be used to incite class hostilities.

I share the amusement of several of my fellow posters. From the time of Section 28 onward, the Tory party has opposed the basic civil rights of virtually every minority group. It can only be taken at a grain of salt when the Countryside Alliance calls the supporters of this law bigots. Come on, even Ann Widdecombe voted for it.

[??????????]

Animals are just that animals. I have no problem with fox hunting or hunting with hounds. They do fox hunt here in the US mostly in Virginia. Around here we hunt with hounds but our prey is wild hog.

[KEmperor]

What is amusing is the fact that Parliament actually banned the hunting of foxes, and that it was some sort of huge deal over there.

[English]

What is amusing is the fact that Parliament actually banned the hunting of foxes, and that it was some sort of huge deal over there.

In the UK there is an increasingly MASSIVE gulf between multicultural modern urban Britain and conservative rural Britain. Basically that's what it's about. It's about urban Britain getting it's revenge on rural areas for the Tory 1980's and before.
These 'countryside alliance' people stood back and laughed when the steelworkers and miners lost their jobs and riots ripped our cities apart. Now it's payback time.
Like I said, it's more of a class issue than a fox or animal rights one.

[English]

I don't think anybody outside the British Isles actually cares...

You are right about that!

I can understand why people outside Britain are a little bemused. Why would anyone be bothered about hunting? The fact is, it's not about hunting. It's a class, urban Vs rural thing. The industrial, urban regions suffered terribly in the 1980's and now they want revenge.

[minionofmidas]

I don't think anybody outside the British Isles actually cares...

You are right about that!

I can understand why people outside Britain are a little bemused. Why would anyone be bothered about hunting? The fact is, it's not about hunting. It's a class, urban Vs rural thing. The industrial, urban regions suffered terribly in the 1980's and now they want revenge.

It#s a rather pitiful way of taking revenge...

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I don't think anybody outside the British Isles actually cares...

You are right about that!

I can understand why people outside Britain are a little bemused. Why would anyone be bothered about hunting? The fact is, it's not about hunting. It's a class, urban Vs rural thing. The industrial, urban regions suffered terribly in the 1980's and now they want revenge.

It#s a rather pitiful way of taking revenge...

True... but after the '80's *any* amount of revenge, no matter how pitiful, is needed...

[dubhdara]

The real question that should be asked is, should a government have the power to ban fox hunting? I can certainly, regardless of my feelings about it (one way or the other), not fathom where goverment would gain any such power. It is in another unlawful attempt to restrict our freedoms by a government that has robbed us of more liberties than any other since the Star Chamber itself!

Few have noticed that this same day as the fox hunting smokescreen was wafted before our eyes, the Civil Contingencies Bill was being debated in the House of Lords. A Bill that, if passed, would give sweeping and - quite frankly - dictatorial powers to certain government ministers when a state of emergency is declared (and we know who will be defining what an emergency is...).

It is the UK's version of the infamous Patriot Acts...and all the eyes are turned toward foxes ;(

Dubhdara.

[??????????]

This proves that the British Government is no where even close to the US in providing individual freedoms. When it comes down to it they still are a Monarchy.

[opebo]

This ban is absurd and offensive.

What the British should ban is football.

[dubhdara]

This ban is absurd and offensive.

What the British should ban is football.

LOL. Actually, that would make more sense wouldn't it? The argument is far stronger.

As for Britain being a monarchy, well technically it is a constitutional monarchy by way of its Constitution but the Government pay only lip service (if that) to it. Our form of government has degraded into a democracy which is fast becoming a tyranny (as have all democracies in history that have not fallen into anarchy).

I do not believe democracy (the rule of the majority) or monarchy (the rule of the one) is good. It should be the rule of law (a republic) if you ask me.

However, the British Constitution is a limited monarchy that comprises many good principles and procedures and, in my opinion, if it were stuck to, it would be only surpassed by the US Constitution in its original form and intent as a Constituion.



Dubhdara.

[English]

This ban is absurd and offensive.

What the British should ban is football.

LOL. Actually, that would make more sense wouldn't it? The argument is far stronger.

As for Britain being a monarchy, well technically it is a constitutional monarchy by way of its Constitution but the Government pay only lip service (if that) to it. Our form of government has degraded into a democracy which is fast becoming a tyranny (as have all democracies in history that have not fallen into anarchy).

I do not believe democracy (the rule of the majority) or monarchy (the rule of the one) is good. It should be the rule of law (a republic) if you ask me.

However, the British Constitution is a limited monarchy that comprises many good principles and procedures and, in my opinion, if it were stuck to, it would be only surpassed by the US Constitution in its original form and intent as a Constituion.



Dubhdara.

Tyranny? Like the Thatcher 80's you mean?
That's the nearest Britain has ever come to a tyranical dictatorship!

[dubhdara]

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Tyranny, according to my understanding of that word, has two aspects to its meaning. Firstly, it is a government where the separation of powers do not exist or is so futile as to prove little effect; secondly, the manner in which the laws are enforced in such a state.

The current socialist British Government have worked tirelessly to remove the remaining checks and balances of our system moreso than any before it. The laws they have proposed and often rammed through Parliament have not been in accord with liberty but with totalitarianism.

I believe our current Government is the greatest threat to our liberties than we have seen fro a long time. At present the Civil Contingencies Bill is going through passage to become law. It has been compared to the Enabling Act that granted Hitler his powers back in the 1930s. Attemps are being made to do away with trial by jury - a vital safeguard to liberty. We are being told we need permission to walk our own streets (ID cards), we have been traitorously ignored by the handing over of sovereignty to foreign powers (and the Executive throwing the just charges of treason brought by patriots out of the courts because the judicary and executive are not independent), the list goes on...

People should read what happened in 1930s Germany. It's a great lesson for our time, and would perhaps open the eyes of many to what is really going on.*

Dubhdara

* The following link may be of some use here, especially to US readers: http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=voicenazi&refpage=issues

[Filuwaúrdjan]

This proves that the British Government is no where even close to the US in providing individual freedoms. When it comes down to it they still are a Monarchy.

Actually this ban proves that we aren't a monarchy.

The ban on foxhunting is more to do with *very* old Class rivalries (as David Butler pointed out, British Politics is divided on Class lines to a far greater extent than any other Western Country) dating back to the "enclosures" (legalised theft of land from us by the Toffs) in the 18th Century than with any concern for animal rights etc.

[??????????]

This proves that the British Government is no where even close to the US in providing individual freedoms. When it comes down to it they still are a Monarchy.

Actually this ban proves that we aren't a monarchy.

The ban on foxhunting is more to do with *very* old Class rivalries (as David Butler pointed out, British Politics is divided on Class lines to a far greater extent than any other Western Country) dating back to the "enclosures" (legalised theft of land from us by the Toffs) in the 18th Century than with any concern for animal rights etc.

I think it would have been best just to allow fox hunting to continu. Its no threat to anyone..unless you are a fox of course.

[??????????]

From what I understand they are playing tit for tat over this issue....according to our local news.

[??????????]

From what I understand this whole thing is a tit for tat over past disagreements...according to our local news.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

From what I understand this whole thing is a tit for tat over past disagreements...according to our local news.

An accurate summary

[??????????]

From what I understand this whole thing is a tit for tat over past disagreements...according to our local news.

An accurate summary

Its sad really that different ideas have to "punish" each other by restricting such simple things. I have no qualms or disagreements with hunting whatsoever.

[dubhdara]

The only just reason I can see why a person might be committing an act worthy of punishment in regard to hunting is if he was violating the property of another either by way of land or the prey itself.

Dubhdara.

[Democratic Hawk]

The hypocrisy of the right never ceases to amaze me. They are happy to repress ethnic minorities, poor people, etc, but when it comes to fox hunting they scream civil rights. Selfish bastards...

You've hit the nail on the head! Well said.

The Labour government are finally fulfiling a manifesto pledge to the British people (the majority of whom are against hunting with hounds) and about time.

Those who live in rural communities and who favour hunting with hounds want to remember that without urban largesse, they would be considerably worse off.

Even most rural folk are anti-hunting with hounds.

Dave

[Lunar]

It's amazing that y'all even care about such a small issue, heh.