Israel 2009

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Crap.

On second thought, a Likud government might actually be a good thing. But the Israeli electoral system still sucks.

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I like الجبهه الدمقراطية للسلام والمساواة.

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The Israeli electoral system (but also greater and greater difficulties to have stable majorities in Germany, Austria, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Slovakia, Czech rep., Baltic states, etc.) makes the British first-past-the-vote system appear to be the best one in the world.

You mean having a party with a large majority in parliament (55%) with 35% of the votes is the best. Sure, much better to avoid giving dissatisfied votes representation than having to deal with opposition. That is probably why turnout is sooo high in FPTP-systems (61% UK to 87% in DK, 77% in N & 78% in G).

PR is good in countries that are stable electorally, but not in those that are unstable.

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The Israeli electoral system (but also greater and greater difficulties to have stable majorities in Germany, Austria, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Slovakia, Czech rep., Baltic states, etc.) makes the British first-past-the-vote system appear to be the best one in the world.

Using the British system in Israel would be completely unrepresentative and wouldn't necessarily make things more stable, because caertain minorities who have their own parties tend to live in their own areas so you would still need coalitions.

It'd be the big parties, a few fundies, and the Arabs, AFAIK.

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The Israeli electoral system (but also greater and greater difficulties to have stable majorities in Germany, Austria, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Slovakia, Czech rep., Baltic states, etc.) makes the British first-past-the-vote system appear to be the best one in the world.

Using the British system in Israel would be completely unrepresentative and wouldn't necessarily make things more stable, because caertain minorities who have their own parties tend to live in their own areas so you would still need coalitions.

It'd be the big parties, a few fundies, and the Arabs, AFAIK.

Basically, yes but while both the national religious settlements (extreme right), south Tel Aviv (poor mizrahi) and south Ashdod (Russians) would all probably elect a Likud guy they would be very different.

But they would all come from the same party, making coalitions easier.

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Excellent. Hadash should make the next Knesset.

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Why do people talk so much about Hadash? They're a very marginal communist party. It just happens that although it's not officially an arab party, most of their support is arab, as well as their policies.

Exactly. They're communist, and they support Arabs.

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What's the voting system used for the primaries?

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So the system used is bloc voting?

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Would be great results if Likud could get rid of Bibi and replace him, with a real right winger

Israeli right isn't right enough for you?

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Would be great results if Likud could get rid of Bibi and replace him, with a real right winger

Israeli right isn't right enough for you?

When I say right, I mean it in the israeli sense, not in the international one. in the US I would be left leaning and I would probably have voted for Obama. My political matrix score would indicate that I'm not really right wing.

I actually prefer the American right.

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Will this mean a further bleeding of Labour's Arab vote?

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Will this mean a further bleeding of Labour's Arab vote?

Yeah, I'd guess so.

Excellent, excellent. We'll be seeing a lot more grand coalitions.

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But those gains will come from the Jewish parties, while the Arab parties will also gain.