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« on: October 27, 2008, 02:45:20 PM »
« edited: October 27, 2008, 02:48:02 PM by Verily »

Dumont will win reelection. His party is a completely different matter. Of course, I have to root for Charest since Marois is almost as bad as Dumont.

Most recent poll, from CROP:

PLQ: 41 (+8 on 2007)
PQ: 32 (+4)
ADQ: 16 (-15)
Vert: 6 (+2)
QS: 4 (nc)

Looking like a re-run of 2003.
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2008, 11:21:58 PM »


Marois, who has made comments easily construed as racist...

Don't be fooled. If she weren't a hardcore separatist and Francophone nationalist, she'd belong in the ADQ.
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2008, 05:07:21 PM »
« Edited: November 11, 2008, 05:09:28 PM by Verily »

Poll!

PLQ: 41 (-1 on 27 October)
PQ: 35 (+1)
ADQ: 14 (nc)
PVQ: 4 (nc)
QS: 4 (nc)

http://www.legermarketing.com/documents/pol/081111ENG.pdf

Bye-bye, ADQ.
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2008, 06:53:27 PM »


Hopefully. But, you know, this being an election in Quebec...

Meh. Since the 2007 election, enough evidence has emerged to suggest to me that the sole reason for the ADQ's surge in 2007 was homophobia. Not happening this time around, so things go back to normal, and the ADQ is marginal. Of course, it hasn't helped them that they've been totally incompetent as the OO.
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2008, 07:21:11 PM »

Meh. Since the 2007 election, enough evidence has emerged to suggest to me that the sole reason for the ADQ's surge in 2007 was homophobia.

And Dumont taking over the debate on immigration.

Personally, I think immigration was just an excuse for a lot of people.
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2008, 08:07:09 PM »


62% don't want a referendum, not 62% against independence.
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2008, 04:37:37 PM »


Sorry, I guessed that was the case based off of your post. 62% against is a bit surprising.
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2008, 09:27:04 PM »

LOL ADQ. 1% in Bonaventure, behind QS, and behind QS in Sherbrooke, too. Grin
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2008, 08:24:43 PM »

Does not look like a surprising night. Basically 2003 over again. The Liberals win a solid majority, the PQ maybe increases its seat count slightly on last year, the ADQ pulls a disappearing act. The only point of interest is likely to be QS's ability to win Gouin or Mercier.
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2008, 08:25:52 PM »

QS leads in Charlesbourg Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2008, 08:29:42 PM »

Apparently May Chiu, who was the BQ candidate against Martin in 2006, is running for QS in Outremont. She's also ahead of the ADQ and only just barely behind the PQ (safe PLQ, o/c).
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2008, 08:35:06 PM »

No problem.

Turp back ahead in Mercier, barely.
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2008, 08:45:26 PM »

Will Lawrence Bergman hit the big nine-o? He's currently at a weaksauce 89.6!

It's that pesky PVQ. But the PVQ is doing disastrously province-wide, the only non-joke result so far is Notre-Dame-de-Grace.

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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2008, 08:52:24 PM »
« Edited: December 08, 2008, 08:54:24 PM by Verily »

Why does Quebec hate the Green Party so much? Too many leftist parties?

I would assume it's because most of the sort of people who would support a Green Party elsewhere are separatists, young voters especially. Of course, the PVQ has always had something of a separatist tinge to it as well despite being officially neutral (and its former leader is a PQ candidate this time around, and IIRC likely to be elected). But they just don't have a proper niche.

Edit: Yes, McKay will likely be elected in L'Assomption.
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2008, 08:55:37 PM »

David is gaining ground in Gouin; if later results are favorable to her, QS could still win two seats. Although IIRC last time the last results were strong for the PQ in both Mercier and Gouin.
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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2008, 09:03:39 PM »


Specifically, northwest of Mercier. Mercier is the orange dot in Montreal where QS currently leads.
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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2008, 09:08:10 PM »

ADQ behind the Greenies in Ile-de-la-Madelaine. 1.5%

I really don't understand why Îles-de-la-Madeleine is so resistant to the ADQ.
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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2008, 09:08:33 PM »


Premature call, IMO. But likely.
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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2008, 10:56:41 PM »

The PQ and ADQ both did a bit better than I expected. So did QS; I thought it was still unlikely that Khadir would be elected. It'll be interesting to see if QS can make a splash now that it has an MNA.
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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2008, 12:40:49 PM »
« Edited: December 09, 2008, 12:52:09 PM by Verily »

Oh. The election's already been.

What happened? In a nutshell?
Can't read this thread, got to post about la Nouvelle Orléans.

The ADQ collapsed, but not as far as expected. The PQ and PLQ both made gains at the ADQ's expense, the PQ somewhat more than expected. The PLQ narrowly won a majority government. QS broke into Parliament by scalping Mercier from the PQ.

PLQ: 66 (+18) [center-right to center-left federalists]
PQ: 51 (+15) [sovereigntists ranging from right to left]
ADQ: 7 (-34) [right-wing, wishy-washy on independence]
QS: 1 (+1) [hard left sovereigntists]
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