Cat amongst the Pigeons Bill (At Final Vote)

[minionofmidas]

Cat Amongst the Pigeons Bill

Recognising that there are parties at all sides at fault for recent conflict in the Caucasus region;

Condemning those who sought to escalate the conflict to the detriment of all the peoples of the region;

Seeing that it is often better to recognise things as they are rather than bury one's head in the ground;

And in the belief that the right to self-determination is a right of tremendous importance;

It is agreed as follows...

1. The Republic of Atlasia hereby recognises the independence of the Republic of Abkhazia.

2. The Republic of Atlasia hereby recognises the independence of the Republic of South Ossetia.

3. Subject to the recognition of the Republic of Georgia of the independence of the aforementioned, the Republic of Atlasia shall:

(a) propose and actively seek the inclusion of the Republic of Georgia into the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation with due haste.

(b) move to advance aid to the Republic of Georgia (from that part of the budget of the Government of Atlasia devoted to foreign aid) in developing its defensive capabilities, in redeveloping its damaged infrastructure, and in such other ways and means as are deemed appropriate and necessary to ensure the safety and security of the Georgian people.


Sponsor : Jas.

[Torie]

I have trouble giving recognition to the two rouge regions of Georgia, inasmuch as they were both ethnically cleansed of ethnic Georgians under the auspices of Russia. I think leaving them in limbo for a long time is appropriate, and the cleansing must be dealt with appropriately, with compensation or whatever.  In any event, any recognition extended should be in concert with, inter alia,  NATO and the EU.

[minionofmidas]

Georgia was ethnically cleansed of Ossetians too you know.
And Armenia of Azeris, and Azerbeijan of Armenians, and... the list goes on and on.

The extent (ie the sheer amount of people) moved in the case of Abkhazia makes me very squeamish on that one too though.

And nothing will be able to make me support that third section.

[Sensei]

I'd like to propose an amendment to strike section 3

[Хahar 🤔]

Can diplomatic recognition be conferred through legislation? This violates the concept of separation of powers.

[Torie]

Can diplomatic recognition be conferred through legislation? This violates the concept of separation of powers.

Good question, but I doubt it. I don't see why someplace can't be recognized through legislation. But I admit this is outside my range legally speaking.

[Хahar 🤔]

Foreign affairs is under the purview of the executive, rather than the legislature.

[Torie]

Foreign affairs is under the purview of the executive, rather than the legislature.

Except when it isn't.

[Хahar 🤔]

Foreign affairs is under the purview of the executive, rather than the legislature.

Except when it isn't.

Then that's fusion of powers, isn't it?

[Јas]

Well, I introduced this bill primarily because I think the topic should be discussed rather than ignored. I'm far from an expert on the region or these things so it's entirely possible that the bill is nonsensical, unfeasible and unconstitutional. Anyway...

[minionofmidas]

I'd like to propose an amendment to strike section 3

The vote is on the amendment. Please vote aye, nay or abstain.


Aye.


I am also proposing an amendment to strike section 1. And a friendly amendment to strike the third sentence from the preamble.
(EDITed amendment).
And I will have another friendly amendment about the bill's title after these votes.

[Јas]

I am also proposing an amendment to strike the third sentence of the preamble ("heads in the sand")

Technically it's "heads in the ground", but I'm willing to accept this part as a friendly amendment.

[minionofmidas]

I am also proposing an amendment to strike the third sentence of the preamble ("heads in the sand")

Technically it's "heads in the ground", but I'm willing to accept this part as a friendly amendment.

Yah, you read the older version of my post. After my edit, I was proposing that as a separate friendly amendment.

Senators have 24 hours to object.

[Јas]

Abstain

[minionofmidas]

I am also proposing an amendment to strike the third sentence of the preamble ("heads in the sand")

Technically it's "heads in the ground", but I'm willing to accept this part as a friendly amendment.

Yah, you read the older version of my post. After my edit, I was proposing that as a separate friendly amendment.

Senators have 24 hours to object.

The friendly amendment has been accepted.

[Verily]

Nay

[Bacon King]

nay

[Sensei]

nay

[CultureKing]

nay

[HappyWarrior]

Nay

[minionofmidas]

nay

You voted against your own amendment?

[minionofmidas]

This vote timed out on the 5th - back during the last Senate.

The amendment has failed.

Final vote count:
Aye 1 (Lewis)
Nay 4 (Verily, Bacon, Sensei, Culture)
did not vote 5 (Torie, Jas, Al, Meeker, Dwtl)


The vote is on the amendment. Please vote aye, nay or abstain.

I am also proposing an amendment to strike section 1.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Aye

[HappyWarrior]

Nay

[DownWithTheLeft]

Aye although I oppose the bill