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Marokai Backbeat
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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2008, 09:21:34 PM »

Good, except you have the Virginia's wrong. WV is likely Rep, and VA is tossup. Oh yeah, and NV should be Lean D after the blowout this year.

Id also put South Carolina as Likely Republican.
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« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2008, 09:29:12 PM »

NE-1?

Also, if Obama has a wildly successful first term, expect above-average swings in the very places that swung against him in 2008 (part of that swing comes from people balking at the notion of a Black president and/or a president with an exotic background - things that people *might* have gotten used to in four years time. Then again, Obama also has the potential to fail really disastrously. Know the saying about having to be at least as good as the White guy *all the time*?) Expect relatively little improvement (beyond those created by demographic changes between here and four years out) in the places that swung most wildly towards him.



As to the redblue map for 2012... this averages out 2004 and 2008 results:




Interesting theory on the areas that swung against Obama swinging toward him in 2012. I've had similar thoughts and voiced them a time or two, but glad to see I'm not completely nuts.

Obviously far fewer than 15 percent of voters will think Obama is a Muslim come 2012. Many of those voters in Appalachia have no access to the internet and no cable or satellite TV, and since Obama had no campaign organization in their area whatsoever and ran no ads on local TV, even relatively politically savvy people in these areas would literally would know nothing about him other than what they might read in the regional newspaper (the editorial page of which probably was less than favorable towards him) or snippets they briefly saw on the local or national network news (in which they saw what he looked like, but didn't get much chance to hear him speak, a shortfall that will be remedied for better or worse over the course of the next 4 years).
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« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2008, 11:28:21 PM »


Dark Red: Safe Obama
Light Red: Lean Obama
Gray: Tossup
Light Blue: Lean GOP
Dark Blue: Safe GOP
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« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2008, 11:56:14 PM »


Dark Red: Safe Obama
Light Red: Lean Obama
Gray: Tossup
Light Blue: Lean GOP
Dark Blue: Safe GOP

This is just about perfect, except I'd label MO as a tossup.
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Marokai Backbeat
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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2008, 11:57:15 PM »

Agreed. I think Arizona is alot closer to a tossup than alot of people think, as well. Democrats probably would have carried the state handily if McCain wasn't on the ticket.
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« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2008, 12:00:39 AM »

Agreed, I forgot about AZ.
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« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2008, 12:07:16 AM »

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« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2008, 03:01:26 AM »

Not everything will be like 2008 forever.
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« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2008, 04:41:58 AM »

No, but it would be foolish not to take 2008 into account when drawing up a map for 2012.
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« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2008, 08:02:03 AM »

That's why there are toss-ups and multiple maps. Tongue

Anyone have voter registration stats for Arizona?
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« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2008, 05:39:03 PM »

Assuming a moderately successful first term: (This is assuming Obama is the nominee of the Democrats, and the Republicans don't nominate a huge surprise candidate. )

Assuming a blowout first term:

A poor term:
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« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2008, 06:02:07 PM »

Why would a moderately successful term result in a slimmer victory? Huh
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« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2008, 06:15:26 PM »

Because there's less hostility against Bush and Republican policies.
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« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2008, 04:59:51 PM »

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« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2008, 06:04:17 PM »

Pennsylvania, Michigan and Minnesota were all democratic by more than four points above the national average. I would change them. Also, Texas should be red, it went Republican by 11 points. I don't care what the DNC says, that's staying red.
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« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2008, 07:21:56 PM »

Yeah, I'd have to agree. Besides, if you're giving Virginia safe dem, you'd might as well give safe dem to the states that went to Obama by way more than 6%. Tongue
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« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2008, 05:27:41 AM »

Yeah, I'd have to agree. Besides, if you're giving Virginia safe dem, you'd might as well give safe dem to the states that went to Obama by way more than 6%. Tongue
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« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2008, 04:34:50 PM »

Pennsylvania, Michigan and Minnesota were all democratic by more than four points above the national average. I would change them. Also, Texas should be red, it went Republican by 11 points. I don't care what the DNC says, that's staying red.
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« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2008, 08:08:12 PM »

Pennsylvania, Michigan and Minnesota were all democratic by more than four points above the national average. I would change them. Also, Texas should be red, it went Republican by 11 points. I don't care what the DNC says, that's staying red.
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Lol, best response ever.
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Marokai Backbeat
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« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2008, 05:17:46 PM »

Atlas' color scheme fails again.
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« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2008, 05:42:53 PM »

I'll never understand why so many prefer it.
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« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2008, 06:03:56 PM »

This color scheme owns. I like my democrats like I like my chile peppers, red and sizzling.
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« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2008, 06:52:41 PM »


No. Atlas scheme=win. It's like our personal secret code.
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« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2008, 08:21:07 PM »

The national color code is irredeemably terrible.
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« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2008, 08:49:06 PM »


In every other Western Country, conservative parties are represented by blue while liberal and progressive parties are represented by Red. The problem was that in the aftermath of the 2000 election, the electoral map (which happened to use red for Republicans and blue for Democrats) was left on the screen for weeks, and commentators began to discuss "Red States" and "Blue States."
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