One Strike You're Out Act (Tabled)

[DownWithTheLeft]

Oh, the reasoning behind the bill is two fold.  The first is that if you are guaranteed to receive 25 years for committing first degree murder, it would serve as a deterrent to some.  Second, it allows for more uniform standards and prevents judicial activism

[Хahar 🤔]

Oh, the reasoning behind the bill is two fold.  The first is that if you are guaranteed to receive 25 years for committing first degree murder, it would serve as a deterrent to some.  Second, it allows for more uniform standards and prevents judicial activism

Where's the need for this? Judicial activism hasn't been a problem by any standards when it comes to sentencing for violent crimes, and first-degree murder will generally get you life.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Aye.

[minionofmidas]

The amendment has passed.

Aye 6 (Lewis, Torie, Happy, Dwtl, Al, PiT)
did not vote 3 (Jas, Andrew, Sensei)
vacant 1

[minionofmidas]

Amendment to strike:

One Strike You're Out Act

1.) Any citizen convicted of first degree murder shall automatically receive a minimum sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole.

This would make the bill acceptable to me.
It would also make it completely meaningless in practice, but that's a different story.

[minionofmidas]

Voting's not yet open on my amendment.

[minionofmidas]

Amendment to strike:

One Strike You're Out Act

1.) Any citizen convicted of first degree murder shall automatically receive a minimum sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole.

This would make the bill acceptable to me.
It would also make it completely meaningless in practice, but that's a different story.

The vote is on the amendment.

Aye.

[Јas]

Aye

[Filuwaúrdjan]

aye

[DownWithTheLeft]

Nay

[Torie]

Nay. This amendment kind of guts the legislation.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Nay. Kind of a mean thing to do.

[minionofmidas]

Nay. This amendment kind of guts the legislation.

It removes the crass and disgusting part (think about what "life without parole" actually means for once - I doubt any American ever has, frankly. It spells out as "let's lock old folks into tiny cells for things they did when they were 20! Let's not yet worry about it now because it'll be decades before it happens! It's an incredibly disrespectful, incredibly thoughtless, incredibly anti-traditional position to take, really. If you want to ensure "life" doesn't end up meaning 7 years - as it did in West Virginia (or was it Kentucky) during the Depression era btw - there are better approaches.) I could support the bill if the amendment passes.

Vote count :

Aye 3 (Europeans)
Nay 3 (Republicans except Andrew)
yet to vote 3 (Democrats and Andrew)

[AndrewTX]

Aye

[HappyWarrior]

Aye

[minionofmidas]

The amendment has passed.

Aye 5 (Lewis, Jas, Al, Andrew, Happy)
Nay 3 (PiT, Dwtl, Torie)
did not vote 1 (Sensei)
vacant 1

[Torie]

Congratulations, you gutted the bill, so now it is just an empty shell. It should really be put out of its misery now.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Congratulations, you gutted the bill, so now it is just an empty shell. It should really be put out of its misery now.

Yeah, this senate had some potential but its become an epic fail for lack of a better term

[Associate Justice PiT]

     I guess the only humane thing to do here is to motion to table.

[minionofmidas]

The vote is on the motion to table.

[HappyWarrior]

Aye

[Torie]

Aye

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Aye

[Јas]

Abstain

[Sensei]

aye