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minionofmidas
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« on: November 26, 2008, 01:47:40 PM »
« edited: December 28, 2008, 08:35:34 AM by das Blut auf deiner Wange »
Free Trade Regulation Act

1.  F.L. 13-20: Atlasia-Oman Free Trade Act is hereby repealed.

2.  F.L. 14-4: Atlasia-Malaysia Free Trade Act is hereby repealed.


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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2008, 02:25:48 PM »
I urge all Senators to vote for this legislation.
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2008, 04:01:38 PM »
     Why Oman & Malaysia? I haven't heard of anything special happening there. Tongue
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2008, 04:04:43 PM »
Oman is a tinpot absolute monarchy. Malaysia is ... cough... not exactly a democracy. Although I'm not sure why it was singled out - none of the other countries in Al's bill from last session was an ally I'd be proud to have either.
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2008, 04:07:19 PM »
     I move to strike section 2. Mind you that I'm leaning towards Nay on the final vote anyway. Wink
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2008, 04:52:48 PM »
Malaysia has some serious problems. The judiciary isn't independent, and the government is officially racist. There's also the fact that the leader of the opposition gets accused of sodomy on a pretty regular basis.
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2008, 05:33:19 PM »
I asked Sen. HappyWarrior to introduce this legislation on the behalf of the DoEA. The SoEA fully supports this measure.
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2008, 05:36:25 PM »
Some things are simple, like free trade is good.

I will be voting against this bill
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2008, 06:39:53 PM »
Quote from: Sen. Invalid Voter on November 26, 2008, 05:36:25 PM
Some things are simple, like free trade is good.

I will be voting against this bill

Since you love to think in terms of power, I'll put it this way:

Free trade is a useful tool internationally. Should we be compromising that by offering free trade to everyone, whether they like us or not?
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2008, 06:42:07 PM »
« Edited: November 26, 2008, 06:44:26 PM by Senator PiT »
Quote from: Attorney General Xahar on November 26, 2008, 06:39:53 PM
Quote from: Sen. Invalid Voter on November 26, 2008, 05:36:25 PM
Some things are simple, like free trade is good.

I will be voting against this bill

Since you love to think in terms of power, I'll put it this way:

Free trade is a useful tool internationally. Should we be compromising that by offering free trade to everyone, whether they like us or not?

     I'm not fully decided on it for that reason. As great as unconditional free trade is, I'm hesitant to reward the sworn enemies of liberty. Undecided
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2008, 09:41:09 PM »
Quote from: Senator PiT on November 26, 2008, 06:42:07 PM
Quote from: Attorney General Xahar on November 26, 2008, 06:39:53 PM
Quote from: Sen. Invalid Voter on November 26, 2008, 05:36:25 PM
Some things are simple, like free trade is good.

I will be voting against this bill

Since you love to think in terms of power, I'll put it this way:

Free trade is a useful tool internationally. Should we be compromising that by offering free trade to everyone, whether they like us or not?

     I'm not fully decided on it for that reason. As great as unconditional free trade is, I'm hesitant to reward the sworn enemies of liberty. Undecided

However, in your attempt to hurt the sworn enemies of liberty, you hurt yourself even more in the process. By limiting free trade between countries, you guarentee that both countries have fewer resources and are more miserable than they otherwise would be.
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2008, 10:17:12 PM »
Quote from: South Park Conservative on November 26, 2008, 09:41:09 PM
Quote from: Senator PiT on November 26, 2008, 06:42:07 PM
Quote from: Attorney General Xahar on November 26, 2008, 06:39:53 PM
Quote from: Sen. Invalid Voter on November 26, 2008, 05:36:25 PM
Some things are simple, like free trade is good.

I will be voting against this bill

Since you love to think in terms of power, I'll put it this way:

Free trade is a useful tool internationally. Should we be compromising that by offering free trade to everyone, whether they like us or not?

     I'm not fully decided on it for that reason. As great as unconditional free trade is, I'm hesitant to reward the sworn enemies of liberty. Undecided

However, in your attempt to hurt the sworn enemies of liberty, you hurt yourself even more in the process. By limiting free trade between countries, you guarentee that both countries have fewer resources and are more miserable than they otherwise would be.

     I guess if we get their money, it's all the same in the end. Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2008, 11:50:00 AM »
Using anti free trade measures against countries that are viewed as something less than robust pluralistic democracies is a dog that just won't hunt. I will be opposing this legislation.
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2008, 02:07:13 PM »
Quote from: Attorney General Xahar on November 26, 2008, 06:39:53 PM
Free trade is a useful tool internationally. Should we be compromising that by offering free trade to everyone, whether they like us or not?
We shouldn't bar trade with anyone, it only hinders our economic oppurtunity.
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2008, 02:16:24 PM »
Quote from: Sen. Invalid Voter on November 27, 2008, 02:07:13 PM
Quote from: Attorney General Xahar on November 26, 2008, 06:39:53 PM
Free trade is a useful tool internationally. Should we be compromising that by offering free trade to everyone, whether they like us or not?
We shouldn't bar trade with anyone, it only hinders our economic oppurtunity.

Excellent. Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2008, 02:17:04 PM »
Quote from: South Park Conservative on November 27, 2008, 02:16:24 PM
Quote from: Sen. Invalid Voter on November 27, 2008, 02:07:13 PM
Quote from: Attorney General Xahar on November 26, 2008, 06:39:53 PM
Free trade is a useful tool internationally. Should we be compromising that by offering free trade to everyone, whether they like us or not?
We shouldn't bar trade with anyone, it only hinders our economic oppurtunity.

Excellent. Smiley

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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2008, 02:26:04 PM »
We aren't barring trade with anyone, just returning to current real life rules.
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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2008, 02:33:23 PM »
I urge all Senators to vote for this legislation.
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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2008, 12:54:12 PM »

The vote is on the amendment.

Nay.
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« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2008, 12:58:10 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2008, 03:12:16 PM »
     Aye. If this can pass, I'll move to strike section 1 too. Wink
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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2008, 03:24:35 PM »
Motion for Cloture. (ie no you won't. Grin)
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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2008, 05:55:55 PM »

     Darn it. I should have just made the motion rather than saying I would. Tongue
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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2008, 07:19:52 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2008, 08:25:42 AM »
Vote count:

Aye 1 (PiT)
Nay 3 (Lewis, Happy, Al)
yet to vote everybody
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