NC-PPP: Attorney General Cooper (D) leads Senator Burr (R) by 5

[Ronnie]

Waaaaaaaaaaaay too premature.

[Ronnie]

Duke Hagan won in NC because she was liked better by the people then Dole was. When I said you were wrong about NC I was talking mostly about the Gov and Senate race.

No, Hagan won because Dole ran an incompetent campaign and because there were significant Obama coattails.  She is hardly a political figure, and it is hard to present an argument that says otherwise.

[Ronnie]

Duke Hagan won in NC because she was liked better by the people then Dole was. When I said you were wrong about NC I was talking mostly about the Gov and Senate race.

No, Hagan won because Dole ran an incompetent campaign and because there were significant Obama coattails.  She is hardly a political figure, and it is hard to present an argument that says otherwise.

I said Hagan would win because of Obama's coattail, but she was more like by NC then Dole is. I mean just look at Dole's app. rates.

Duh, but it's mostly about Hagan being super lucky than being "liked".

[Ronnie]

Duke Hagan won in NC because she was liked better by the people then Dole was. When I said you were wrong about NC I was talking mostly about the Gov and Senate race.

No, Hagan won because Dole ran an incompetent campaign and because there were significant Obama coattails.  She is hardly a political figure, and it is hard to present an argument that says otherwise.

I said Hagan would win because of Obama's coattail, but she was more like by NC then Dole is. I mean just look at Dole's app. rates.

Duh, but it's mostly about Hagan being super lucky than being "liked".

This. Dole ran a terrible campaign and her support was soft to begin with. That being said, Obama's coattails pulled her through in a big way in western North Carolina which were because of the financial crisis. If that didn't happen, NC would've been a Republican state and Dole probably wins reelection. She panicked when she fell behind and began attacking Hagan for the most ridiculous things.

Hagan pulled ahead of Dole way before the financial crisis.

Dole was running a terrible campaign before the financial crisis. That only helped Hagan remain ahead. I still don't believe she would have won if McCain had carried NC by a comfortable margin (53-46), but this isn't worth debating. It's over.

You right it is not worth debating over. But if Obama got 46% in NC Hagan would have won. 49-48-3 Hagan.

That's fairly flawed logic, because it's unlikely that Dole would have aired her "godless" ad if she wasn't in such horrible shape in the polls.

[Ronnie]

Duke Hagan won in NC because she was liked better by the people then Dole was. When I said you were wrong about NC I was talking mostly about the Gov and Senate race.

No, Hagan won because Dole ran an incompetent campaign and because there were significant Obama coattails.  She is hardly a political figure, and it is hard to present an argument that says otherwise.

I said Hagan would win because of Obama's coattail, but she was more like by NC then Dole is. I mean just look at Dole's app. rates.

Duh, but it's mostly about Hagan being super lucky than being "liked".

This. Dole ran a terrible campaign and her support was soft to begin with. That being said, Obama's coattails pulled her through in a big way in western North Carolina which were because of the financial crisis. If that didn't happen, NC would've been a Republican state and Dole probably wins reelection. She panicked when she fell behind and began attacking Hagan for the most ridiculous things.

Hagan pulled ahead of Dole way before the financial crisis.

Dole was running a terrible campaign before the financial crisis. That only helped Hagan remain ahead. I still don't believe she would have won if McCain had carried NC by a comfortable margin (53-46), but this isn't worth debating. It's over.

You right it is not worth debating over. But if Obama got 46% in NC Hagan would have won. 49-48-3 Hagan.

That's fairly flawed logic, because it's unlikely that Dole would have aired her ad if she wasn't in such horrible shape in the polls.

No its not. Democratic Senate candidates always do about 3% better then the Democratic President candidate. Thrid parties always take about 2 to 3% that would make it a 49-48-3 hagan win.

Ok, if she would do 3 points better than McCain if he won 53-46, then she would still lose by 4.  Anyways, there are many other factors that made Hagan win by so much.  That includes the RNSC completely giving up on Dole in the fading days in the campaign, which resulted in a prompt campaign collapse.  Her GOTV effort was completely destroyed, as a result.  This would not have happened if the financial crisis had not happened or if McCain was in better shape.