arkansas

[Kaine for Senate '18]

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

Which was also my point.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Well, let's compare Virginia and North Carolina (just for fun):





How much did he spend in the two states?

Here's Georgia, too:

[Josh/Devilman88]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

[Marokai Backbeat]

Because Arkansas is a racist state. End of story.

[Meeker]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

... which is completely ignorant of the growth in the Research Triangle, what the white vote is outside of that area, the amount of money Obama spent in various media markets, the personal Clinton vote, and so many other things.

[Josh/Devilman88]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

... which is completely ignorant of the growth in the Research Triangle, what the white vote is outside of that area, the amount of money Obama spent in various media markets, the personal Clinton vote, and so many other things.

It not called the Research Triangle, its called the Triangle. Research Triangle Park is a research park inside the Triangle. Anyways, there are other large metro areas in NC then the Triangle. Like the Triad metro, Charottle metro, Asheville metro.

[Meeker]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

... which is completely ignorant of the growth in the Research Triangle, what the white vote is outside of that area, the amount of money Obama spent in various media markets, the personal Clinton vote, and so many other things.

It not called the Research Triangle, its called the Triangle. Research Triangle Park is a research park inside the Triangle. Anyways, there are other large metro areas in NC then the Triangle. Like the Triad metro, Charottle metro, Asheville metro.

You've destroyed my argument.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

Like Meeker said, that ignores some very important pieces of information.  As I've said, it is important to remember that Obama basically lived in places like VA, NC, OH, etc., while he barely ever visited AR.  It makes a huge difference.

[Speed of Sound]

My question is, what effect (if any) will this election have in regards to the long term trending in presidential elections in Arkansas?

[Josh/Devilman88]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

Like Meeker said, that ignores some very important pieces of information.  As I've said, it is important to remember that Obama basically lived in places like VA, NC, OH, etc., while he barely ever visited AR.  It makes a huge difference.

Obama did that because them states were polling close to start with, AR was never close. If obama ran ads and went to AR he may( and that is a big MAY) have kept McCain MOV to 10%.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

Like Meeker said, that ignores some very important pieces of information.  As I've said, it is important to remember that Obama basically lived in places like VA, NC, OH, etc., while he barely ever visited AR.  It makes a huge difference.

Obama did that because them states were polling close to start with, AR was never close. If obama ran ads and went to AR he may( and that is a big MAY) have kept McCain MOV to 10%.

So then why aren't you calling Utah racist?  Because Obama didn't really do anything there, and got crushed.  Your argument makes no sense to me.

[auburntiger]

My question is, what effect (if any) will this election have in regards to the long term trending in presidential elections in Arkansas?

Probably not a whole lot. Arkansas as well as West Virginia are two states that come to mind where the state Democratic party is very strong, and where the right Democrat like Warner or Bayh could win one or both. The GOP should not write off WV and AR as safe states for them, whereas I do think TN and KY can be considered safe GOP.

[Josh/Devilman88]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

Like Meeker said, that ignores some very important pieces of information.  As I've said, it is important to remember that Obama basically lived in places like VA, NC, OH, etc., while he barely ever visited AR.  It makes a huge difference.

Obama did that because them states were polling close to start with, AR was never close. If obama ran ads and went to AR he may( and that is a big MAY) have kept McCain MOV to 10%.

So then why aren't you calling Utah racist?  Because Obama didn't really do anything there, and got crushed.  Your argument makes no sense to me.

UT trended left, unlike AR which trended strongly to the right. Also Democrat always get killed in UT. AR is a democratic friendly state.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

Like Meeker said, that ignores some very important pieces of information.  As I've said, it is important to remember that Obama basically lived in places like VA, NC, OH, etc., while he barely ever visited AR.  It makes a huge difference.

Obama did that because them states were polling close to start with, AR was never close. If obama ran ads and went to AR he may( and that is a big MAY) have kept McCain MOV to 10%.

So then why aren't you calling Utah racist?  Because Obama didn't really do anything there, and got crushed.  Your argument makes no sense to me.

UT trended left, unlike AR which trended strongly to the right. Also Democrat always get killed in UT. AR is a democratic friendly state.

AR is only friendly when a native son (or adopted daughter) is on the ticket.  Kerry lost badly, so did Gore.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

Like Meeker said, that ignores some very important pieces of information.  As I've said, it is important to remember that Obama basically lived in places like VA, NC, OH, etc., while he barely ever visited AR.  It makes a huge difference.

Obama did that because them states were polling close to start with, AR was never close. If obama ran ads and went to AR he may( and that is a big MAY) have kept McCain MOV to 10%.

So then why aren't you calling Utah racist?  Because Obama didn't really do anything there, and got crushed.  Your argument makes no sense to me.

UT trended left, unlike AR which trended strongly to the right. Also Democrat always get killed in UT. AR is a democratic friendly state.

yeah, Utah trended hard left in fact, despite the fact that Obama spent basically no money there and hadn't since the primary. The trend seen in Utah was comparable to that seen elsewhere in the Mountain West, except curiously Wyoming.

Also, unlike Arkansas , Utah doesn't have much of a history of racial tension. Little Rock Crisis anybody?

[Josh/Devilman88]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

Like Meeker said, that ignores some very important pieces of information.  As I've said, it is important to remember that Obama basically lived in places like VA, NC, OH, etc., while he barely ever visited AR.  It makes a huge difference.

Obama did that because them states were polling close to start with, AR was never close. If obama ran ads and went to AR he may( and that is a big MAY) have kept McCain MOV to 10%.

So then why aren't you calling Utah racist?  Because Obama didn't really do anything there, and got crushed.  Your argument makes no sense to me.

UT trended left, unlike AR which trended strongly to the right. Also Democrat always get killed in UT. AR is a democratic friendly state.

AR is only friendly when a native son (or adopted daughter) is on the ticket.  Kerry lost badly, so did Gore.

Gore lost by 5% and Kerry lost by 9%, I wouldn't call that badly. Obama(the black guy) lost by 20%.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Remember, Dukakis lost by 15.  Arkansas is trending rightward, and having a nominee who is fairly liberal and spent no money or time there didn't help.  You want to see racism, so you can pound your chest and say you're better than them.

[Josh/Devilman88]

Remember, Dukakis lost by 15.  Arkansas is trending rightward, and having a nominee who is fairly liberal and spent no money or time there didn't help.  You want to see racism, so you can pound your chest and say you're better than them.

No, I can care less if the are racist or not. I see racism because thats why Obama lost so badly.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

Like Meeker said, that ignores some very important pieces of information.  As I've said, it is important to remember that Obama basically lived in places like VA, NC, OH, etc., while he barely ever visited AR.  It makes a huge difference.

Obama did that because them states were polling close to start with, AR was never close. If obama ran ads and went to AR he may( and that is a big MAY) have kept McCain MOV to 10%.

So then why aren't you calling Utah racist?  Because Obama didn't really do anything there, and got crushed.  Your argument makes no sense to me.

UT trended left, unlike AR which trended strongly to the right. Also Democrat always get killed in UT. AR is a democratic friendly state.

AR is only friendly when a native son (or adopted daughter) is on the ticket.  Kerry lost badly, so did Gore.

Check out 1976.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

Like Meeker said, that ignores some very important pieces of information.  As I've said, it is important to remember that Obama basically lived in places like VA, NC, OH, etc., while he barely ever visited AR.  It makes a huge difference.

Obama did that because them states were polling close to start with, AR was never close. If obama ran ads and went to AR he may( and that is a big MAY) have kept McCain MOV to 10%.

So then why aren't you calling Utah racist?  Because Obama didn't really do anything there, and got crushed.  Your argument makes no sense to me.

UT trended left, unlike AR which trended strongly to the right. Also Democrat always get killed in UT. AR is a democratic friendly state.

AR is only friendly when a native son (or adopted daughter) is on the ticket.  Kerry lost badly, so did Gore.

Check out 1976.

Carter was from Georgia.  Check out 1968, 1972, and 1984.

[Josh/Devilman88]

ben, what makes you think it's not racism?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

ben, what makes you think it's not racism?

I do think there's a little bit of racism involved, but no more than 1-2%.  I think a lot of it has to do with an overall trend rightward amongst Arkansans, the fact that Obama is pretty liberal, spent no money or time on the state, and that there was nobody to contradict the lies that were spread without Obama.

[Josh/Devilman88]

ben, what makes you think it's not racism?

I do think there's a little bit of racism involved, but no more than 1-2%.  I think a lot of it has to do with an overall trend rightward amongst Arkansans, the fact that Obama is pretty liberal, spent no money or time on the state, and that there was nobody to contradict the lies that were spread without Obama.

Everything you said was right, but the percent that racism cost Obama. I believe if Obama wasn't black he would have lost by 10% or 11%.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

ben, what makes you think it's not racism?

I do think there's a little bit of racism involved, but no more than 1-2%.  I think a lot of it has to do with an overall trend rightward amongst Arkansans, the fact that Obama is pretty liberal, spent no money or time on the state, and that there was nobody to contradict the lies that were spread without Obama.

Everything you said was right, but the percent that racism cost Obama. I believe if Obama wasn't black he would have lost by 10% or 11%.

Yeah, and I think that if the only difference was his race, he'd have lost by 15-16%.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

Like Meeker said, that ignores some very important pieces of information.  As I've said, it is important to remember that Obama basically lived in places like VA, NC, OH, etc., while he barely ever visited AR.  It makes a huge difference.

Obama did that because them states were polling close to start with, AR was never close. If obama ran ads and went to AR he may( and that is a big MAY) have kept McCain MOV to 10%.

So then why aren't you calling Utah racist?  Because Obama didn't really do anything there, and got crushed.  Your argument makes no sense to me.

UT trended left, unlike AR which trended strongly to the right. Also Democrat always get killed in UT. AR is a democratic friendly state.

AR is only friendly when a native son (or adopted daughter) is on the ticket.  Kerry lost badly, so did Gore.

Check out 1976.

Carter was from Georgia.  Check out 1968, 1972, and 1984.

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How does how Arkansas voted in 1968 prove that it is NOT racist?