Happy Chanukah!

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Edit:  By the way, the priest offered a prayer to our Jewish brothers and sisters as they begin their celebration of Chanukah today at mass.  You aren't forgotten this time of year!

I never understood how/why you would pray for people that you think are going to burn for eternity, but I guess this isn't the right venue for that

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Happy Hanukkah, my friends.

Edit:  By the way, the priest offered a prayer to our Jewish brothers and sisters as they begin their celebration of Chanukah today at mass.  You aren't forgotten this time of year!

I never understood how/why you would pray for people that you think are going to burn for eternity, but I guess this isn't the right venue for that

Is that what the Catholic Church says?  I don't even know.

No, we don't. Just more ignorance on the part of the Catholic haters.

 I was gonna say that didn't sound right.

Matthew 25:41 (Jesus speaking to people at final judgment), ...Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

Revelation 14:11, And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night...

Revelation 20:12, 15, And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life...And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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Matthew 25:41 (Jesus speaking to people at final judgment), ...Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

Revelation 14:11, And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night...

Revelation 20:12, 15, And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life...And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

None of those passages say "Jews will go to Hell." 

And Phil's right.  Catholics don't interpret the Bible the same way Protestants do. 

well, they say/infer that those who do not accept Jesus as their savior will go to Hell.  Jews believe Jesus was a heretic, so...


and how do Catholics interpret the above verses?  I don't see much wiggle-room, but I've been fooled before

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kind of annoying to answer my question with three separate questions


"Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

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so you don't know what you believe?

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so you don't know what you believe?

We're not talking about what I believe.  We're talking about what the Catholic Church teaches.  I don't believe everything the Catholic Church tells me to believe.  Regarding Jews burning in hell, I don't think the Catholic Church teaches that.  I went to Catholic school for 14 years and don't remember that ever being taught.

of course not - it wouldn't be expedient for them do so, regardless of what is "officially" believed.  religion will not advertise its irrationality and absurdities.  I doubt they advertise their own rabid defense of geocentrism into the 17th Century, either.

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it is pretty difficult to argue that not to be in conflict with scripture, but to each his own

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I think that you either should accept the bible or you shouldn't.  the phrase "moderate Christians" has never made any sense to me.  what does that mean?  finding some sort of happy medium between what scripture says and what you would like it to say?

JS, your postings remind me a bit of Dubcek's "socialism with a human face".  jmfcst's arguments have always made the most sense to me.



so, instead of telling me what I shouldn't believe, why don't you share your thoughts on the following questions (and, preferably, back it up textually, but, again, I don't have a gun to your head):

1. do Jews go to Hell if they do not accept Christ?
2. do aborted fetuses go to Hell?
3. at around two months old, I was diagnosed with strep in the blood and almost died.  my fever reached 108F at one point.  if I had died in December 1990, would I have gone to Hell?
4. is Christ the only path to salvation?

etc.