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« Reply #50 on: December 24, 2008, 05:09:00 PM »

ROFL @ JJ

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/12/24/cnn-poll-obama-transition-draws-approval-of-4-in-5-americans/

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« Reply #51 on: December 24, 2008, 06:17:01 PM »


Please note my sig when analyzing any of his posts.
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« Reply #52 on: December 24, 2008, 06:18:14 PM »

It reminds me of Mao, and I would note that Mao didn't have to contest elections.

There is a problem that a few folks have raised, and and we have seen developing.  What if Obama disappoints?  It started with the gay community and I should note that some of the more serious attacks on Obama have come from the highest ranking openly gay politician, Barney Frank.



My question was what if he disappoints, mainly economically - will people blame Obama, or Bush?
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« Reply #53 on: December 24, 2008, 06:31:23 PM »

So far, there are some rough patches, and he has yet to be sworn in.

Your first paragraph was spot-on, but are we going to have to deal with your 2008 Election form of analysis for four years?  Look at Obama's approvals in public polling.  Why would you ignore that, in lieu of "there are some rough patches, and he has yet to be sworn in"?

Alcon, I was surprised by Frank's comments, first on the bailout and the gay community's reaction.  I do not recall a president elect being so criticized by one of his own constituency groups before he was actually sworn in.    If Frank were a Republican or an old-style bole weevil, it wouldn't be a blip.  It is a bit more than a blip.

Then there is the Blago "scandal" which wasn't handled particularly well, at least in keeping with the "change" mantra.  Obama, and his staffers to be, are probably not hiding anything improper, but the delay in releasing makes it look like he's hiding something.

Like I said, rough patches.  There is a difference between things are not going as well as they should, and "OMG Obama's doomed."
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« Reply #54 on: December 24, 2008, 06:42:13 PM »
« Edited: December 24, 2008, 06:44:54 PM by Alcon »

J. J.,

Why would you focus on "rough patches" when he has the highest approval ratings of any incoming President in decades?  Especially because the interest group he pissed off is one of the least likely to abandon the Democratic Parties even when they disapprove.

I mean, if he's pissed off the gays and still has these approval ratings, he'd be approaching 2012 with the potential for an incredible landslide.  Yet you characterize his process so far as having "rough patches," instead of having incredibly high approvals?  That's the characterization you choose to center your analysis around?

Reminds me of all the stuff you looked at when you botched this year, just saying.
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« Reply #55 on: December 24, 2008, 07:32:12 PM »

J. J.,

Why would you focus on "rough patches" when he has the highest approval ratings of any incoming President in decades?  Especially because the interest group he pissed off is one of the least likely to abandon the Democratic Parties even when they disapprove.

I'm not focusing on them, but I'm not ignoring them either.  And, I've seen very high approval ratings nosedive with actual performance.   If they were actually based on performance, I'd be impressed.  I'm not and I feel it's a bit unfair to praise or criticize Obama as president elect, because there is not too much there yet.

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The thing with the Frank problem is that this the first time I've heard part of a president's core constituency voice criticism of (minimal) action before the guy is even sworn in.  Some things, like appointments, I have seen, but not the comments on the bailout.

Right now, the approval is for the cabinet appointments (which generally get my approval as well) and some other thing.  People are saying, "We approve of change," or "We approve that we're not a racist country (sorta, anymore)."  Those last two things will melt away with the Spring Thaw, when actual performance comes into play.  Those things are not going to last. 
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« Reply #56 on: December 24, 2008, 07:47:35 PM »

he has the highest approval ratings of any incoming President in decades

Those polls are tainted by the Bradley Effect.
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« Reply #57 on: December 24, 2008, 08:25:55 PM »

he has the highest approval ratings of any incoming President in decades

Those polls are tainted by the Bradley Effect.

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No, but it might be that in Obama people see Obama as symbol of change and of "inclusion."  He has to be inclusive, inclusion has to be seen being important, and he has to make the right kind of change for the numbers to hold.

At this point, I think he's made some good cabinet choices, but that was expected.

I've seen good poll numbers come and go.  Right now, they are pretty meaningless, which is both good and bad.  Even if six months from now, they drop 10-15 points, it's just settling back down.
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« Reply #58 on: December 30, 2008, 04:50:13 PM »

Not scary at all.
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« Reply #59 on: December 31, 2008, 12:52:58 AM »


Hey, maybe you aren't as dumb as I thought you were! Any mention of the "Bradley Effect" deserves an eye-roll. Smiley
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« Reply #60 on: December 31, 2008, 02:38:31 PM »


I don't think these were from the Obama campaign either. There was a blurb in the City Pages about the local artist who designed them.
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