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« Reply #225 on: August 11, 2009, 07:36:20 PM »


I'm sorry; I totally forgot about this Tongue  An update will be released in the next couple of days.

Ok thanks.
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« Reply #226 on: August 17, 2009, 10:14:16 PM »

Update tomorrow.  I promise.
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« Reply #227 on: August 18, 2009, 10:44:20 PM »

In his State of the Union Address on January 16, 1987, President Hatfield refers to the economy as, “Being in the best shape in the last twenty years!”  Hatfield’s remark is not without basis; unemployment in February, 1987 stands at just 5.8%, and the average American’s wages are higher than ever before.

In early February, Congress begins debate on the McKinney-Vento Homeless Assistance Act of 1987.  The legislation had a myriad of services to homeless people, including the Continuum of Care Programs: the Supportive Housing Program, the Shelter Plus Care Program, and the Single Room Occupancy Program, as well as the Emergency Shelter Grant Program. It established the Interagency Council on the Homeless.

Because of its wide scope, the McKinney-Vento Act immediately faces strong opposition from conservatives.  Senator Helms calls it “A throwaway to the laziest members of society,” while Senator Thurmond says, “We might as well be encouraging people to live out on the street.”

For several weeks, acrimonious debate continues in Congress.  By early March, the Congress is in deadlock over the bill, with neither side willing to yield.  Eventually, though, Senate liberals agree to make certain concessions – they agree to cut spending in several other areas, not including defense, to pay for the bill.  On April 7, cloture is achieved 62-38, and the bill passes on April 16, 57-37.  In the House, the debate goes much the same way, and it passes on May 5, 226-200.

On June 4, Soviet Premier Leonid Brezhnev dies of a stroke.  After several weeks of internal wrangling, Vitaly Fedorchuk, the head of the KGB since 1982, is named to replace him.  Fedorchuk immediately begins rooting out corruption in the Soviet infrastructure.


New Soviet Premier Vitaly Fedorchuk

On July 10, President Hatfield arrives in Moscow for his first meeting with Fedorchuk.  During the meeting, Hatfield presses Fedorchuk to open up the USSR, including freeing political prisoners.  Fedorchuk politely declines, and also states that there are no political prisoners in the USSR.

Upon his return to the US on July 16, Hatfield gives a series of speeches criticizing the USSR for its suppression of political freedoms.  He announces that, unless the USSR releases its political prisoners, the United States will cease dealing with the USSR effective January 1, 1988.

Hatfield’s ultimatum cause a major uproar, both at home and abroad.  He is commended by people such as Senator Helms, but is criticized by moderates and liberals; a Gallup Poll finds that 79% of Americans disapprove of Hatfield’s Ultimatum.

Internationally, Hatfield is criticized by every foreign government.  Prime Minister Thatcher, French President François Mitterrand, West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, and every other European leader jointly sign a statement disagreeing with Hatfield, and saying that they will not join in.

In a speech on August 15, Hatfield defends his Ultimatum.  “This is the only way we can get the Soviets to act on their human rights abuses.  It is my sincere hope they will accede to our pressures, but we must be prepared for them not to.”

By early October, the Soviets appear to not be giving in to Hatfield’s demands.  Across the country, Americans begin to prepare for a complete cutoff from Russia, buying whatever things they want in bulk.

Inside the Soviet Bloc, Fedorchuk also faces pressure to give in to Hatfield’s demands, or to find a compromise.  Fedorchuk is told that the USSR would collapse if it completely stopped trading the US; its trade with Europe couldn’t compensate.  Fedorchuk, however, is resolute in his refusal to give in.

On December 10, Hatfield and Fedorchuk meet in New York, three weeks before the embargo goes into effect.  Hatfield urges Fedorchuk to give in, but the Premier refuses; he also refuses to try and compromise with Hatfield, as his advisors suggested.

At 12:01 AM on January 1, 1988, President Hatfield issues Executive Order 12483, which officially shut off trade with the Soviet Union.  In a speech on January 10, Hatfield justifies his Embargo, by stating that it will not have a negative effect on the US economy, and that “American must make a stand for human rights.”

By early March, though, Hatfield’s prediction is proving false.  Unemployment, which was 6.1% in December, has risen to 6.9% by March 1.  In June, a report is released stating that the economy had the slowest growth during the First Quarter of 1988 than any year that decade.  By early May, unemployment has risen to 7.5%, and Hatfield’s approval rating has fallen from 63% Approve – 34% Disapprove in a December 15 survey to 49% Approve and 49% Disapprove in a May 14 survey.  Against this backdrop, the 1988 Presidential Election begins to shape together.
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« Reply #228 on: August 19, 2009, 12:12:32 AM »

Wow wasn't expecting Hatfield to take such an hardline against the Soviets with an trade Embargo, I guess even the best of us gets cantankerous as we get older lol. The Homeless Act was a nice piece of Progressive Legislation, and I can't wait to see what you've got cooked up for '88 Ben...Im assuming a Peace Democrat wins the nomination someone the likes of Ron Dellums of California, Paul Simon of Illinois, Patricia Schoeder of Colorado, George Mcgoven of South Dakota, and Martha Layne Collins of Kentucky would all be good choices...Keep it comming
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« Reply #229 on: August 19, 2009, 12:26:08 AM »

The 1988 Election will probably come out later today or Thursday.
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« Reply #230 on: August 19, 2009, 09:29:50 AM »

The 1988 Election will probably come out later today or Thursday.

We look forward to it
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« Reply #231 on: August 19, 2009, 10:53:30 PM »
« Edited: September 01, 2009, 02:48:10 PM by Deeds for Governor '09 »

The Democratic Nomination

As the 1988 race begins heating up, a large number of candidates declare for the nomination.  The first is Governor Richard Lamm of Colorado, who declares on June 8, 1987.  Governor Scott Matheson of Utah declares for the nomination on June 27, 1987.  On August 25, 1987, Senator Lawton Chiles of Florida declares he will seek the nomination.  On September 15, Governor Richard Riley of South Carolina announces he will run, and on December 5, Congressman Ron Dellums of California declares for the nomination, becoming the first African-American to make a serious bid for the Presidency on the Democratic side.

On February 8, the Iowa Caucuses are held, with a surprising win by Governor Lamm.  One week after Iowa, the candidates descend on New Hampshire, where Dellums' record on defense scores him an upset win with the peace-loving New Hampshire voters.

Following two last place finishes, Governor Riley drops out and endorses Chiles.

One week after New Hampshire two primaries are held in Kentucky and South Dakota; resulting in a Chiles victory in Kentucky, and a Matheson win in South Dakota.

On March 5, primaries are held in Alabama (Chiles), Arizona (Matheson), Connecticut (Lamm), Florida (Chiles), Illinois (Chiles), Massachusetts (Dellums), North Carolina (Chiles), South Carolina (Chiles), and Wyoming (Matheson).

Despite winning two primaries, Matheson decides to drop out, and endorses Lamm on March 7.

Following Matheson's drop-out, a major run of primaries are held on March 15 in Alaska (Lamm), Arkansas (Chiles), California (Dellums), Georgia (Chiles), Hawaii (Dellums), Louisiana (Chiles), Maryland (Chiles), Mississippi (Chiles), Missouri (Chiles), Ohio (Lamm), Oklahoma (Chiles), Rhode Island (Lamm), Tennessee (Chiles), Texas (Chiles), and Virginia (Chiles).

Following Chiles' domination, Lamm drops out and endorses Chiles.  Dellums, however, decides to continue competing, and on March 22 primaries are held in Delaware (Chiles), Indiana (Chiles), Michigan (Chiles), New York (Chiles), and West Virginia (Chiles).

Following the sweep, Dellums finally drops out, and endorses Chiles.

At the Democratic Convention, Chiles decides to select Senator Joe Biden of Delaware as his running mate.

Notable endorsements

Lawton Chiles
•   Senator John C. Stennis of Mississippi
•   Senator Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia
•   Senator Ernest Hollings of South Carolina
•   Senator Lloyd Bentsen of Texas
•   Senator Sam Nunn of Georgia
•   Senator Terry Sanford of North Carolina
•   Senator J. Bennett Johnston of Louisiana
•   Senator David Boren of Oklahoma
•   Governor Bill Clinton of Arkansas
•   Governor Jim Hunt of North Carolina

Ron Dellums
•   Representative John Lewis of Georgia
•   Representative Mickey Leland of Texas
•   Representatives Charlie Rangel of New York
•   Representatives John Conyers of Michigan

Richard Lamm
•   Governor Roy Romer of Colorado
•   Senator Gary Hart of Colorado

Richard Riley:
•   Governor Joe Frank Harris of Georgia
•   Governor Ned McWherter of Tennessee



The Republican Nomination

On June 27, 1987, Vice President Bush announces that, due to his health problems, he would not seek the Republican nomination.  On July 5, barely a week after Bush’s announcement, Senator Bob Dole of Kansas declares for the nomination.  On August 18, former Governor Pierre S. du Pont of Delaware enters the race; on October 5, Senator Jack Kemp of New York puts his name in, and on October 24, former Governor Dick Thornburgh of Pennsylvania enters the race.

As the primaries get under way, Dole appears to be the frontrunner, and he wins a resounding victory in Iowa.  One week later, in New Hampshire, Kemp pulls off an upset victory; an angry Dole attacks Kemp for “lying about my record.”

Two weeks after Iowa, a Super Tuesday set of primaries are held in Alabama (Dole), Arizona (Dole), Connecticut (Kemp), Delaware (du Pont), Florida (Dole), Georgia (Dole), Illinois (Thornburgh), Ohio (Dole), Virginia (Dole), and Wisconsin (Dole).  After winning just one primary, Kemp drops out and endorses du Pont.

Following Super Tuesday, Dole sweeps Alaska, California, and Hawaii, forcing du Pont out of the race.  Thornburgh, however, stays in, taking the Pennsylvania primary held the next week.  Dole finally closes him out by winning Colorado, Massachusetts, New York, and Texas the next week.

At the Republican Convention in New York City, Dole makes the decision to select Kemp as his running mate.

Notable endorsements

Bob Dole
•   Senator Strom Thurmond of South Carolina
•   Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska
•   Senator Lowell Weicker of Connecticut
•   Senator Nancy Kassebaum Baker of Kansas
•   Senator Warren Rudman of New Hampshire
•   Senator Larry Pressler of South Dakota
•   Governor George Deukmejian of California
•   Governor Carroll A. Campbell, Jr. of South Carolina

Dick Thornburgh
•   Senator Bob Packwood of Oregon
•   Senator Pete Domenici of New Mexico
•   Senator H. John Heinz III of Pennsylvania
•   Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania
•   Governor Edward D. DiPrete of Rhode Island

Pierre S. du Pont
•   Senator Bill Roth of Delaware
•   Governor Mike Castle of Delaware

Jack Kemp
•   House Minority Whip Trent Lott of Mississippi
•   Senator Gordon Humphrey of New Hampshire
•   Representative Robert C. Smith of New Hampshire

The General Election

From day one, the election is extremely close.  Chiles immediately goes on the attack, criticizing Dole for supporting the Embargo, which is supported by just 17% of Americans.  Dole, in return, attacks Chiles for being too liberal.

On September 25, at the first debate, Chiles hits Dole hard on the Embargo, while Dole says that he opposed the Embargo from the start.  Following the debate, Chiles and Dole still stand almost even, although people seem to be shifting to Chiles.  Chiles gets a resounding victory in the second debate on October 17, and polls show him pulling away.

On October 26, barely a week before the election, Hatfield finally lifts the Embargo, in an attempt to pull up Dole.  The attempt fails, and Chiles squeaks by on Election Day.


Lawton Chiles/Joe Biden: 50.3% PV, 285 EV
Bob Dole/Jack Kemp: 48.1% PV, 253 EV
Others: 1.6% PV, 0 EV

The Congressional Elections

Given the extremely close election, the Congressional makeup stays much the same, with on gains in the Senate for either Party, and minor gains for House Democrats.

Senate Results

Democrats: 57 (-)
Republicans: 43 (-)


House Results
Democrats: 253 (+3)
Republicans: 182 (-3)
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« Reply #232 on: August 20, 2009, 06:06:10 AM »

Wow you are a master at keeping your Presidential candidates unknown Ben. Having Lawton Chiles as President will be pretty interesting, especially since his health really never recovered after his triple-Bi-pass surgery IOTL 1985. Dole/Kemp in 1988 was a nice touch as well, and it makes sense the Lawton didn't pick Dellums for Vice President, as needed the entire south to coble together even a narrow victory. Biden's youth applies to baby boomer's and his Catholic, White Working class routes appeal to voters in the rust belt. Maybe he should give Dellums the post of Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense. Just ideas, and I look forward to the first term of our nation's 40th President
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« Reply #233 on: August 25, 2009, 09:11:17 AM »

Sorry, but I won't have an update until at least Saturday, since I'm going on vacation.  Here's the 1988 County Map:
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« Reply #234 on: August 25, 2009, 10:06:22 AM »

Awesome County map, and with the GOP's habit of giving the nomination to the previous Primary's runner up...Im going to perdict either Pete Dupont or Dick Thornburgh in '92 already. Looking forward to the Chiles Presidency...Keep it comming Ben.
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« Reply #235 on: August 29, 2009, 08:30:55 AM »

Bumpity Bump.
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« Reply #236 on: August 30, 2009, 05:04:21 PM »

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« Reply #237 on: August 30, 2009, 10:45:19 PM »

An update will come soon.  If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask them.
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« Reply #238 on: August 31, 2009, 08:23:53 AM »

An update will come soon.  If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask them.

Ben, what's happens to Al Gore, Bill Clinton, John Kerry and some othe figures?

Also, I think this is strong possibility that Biden will be President ITTL, regarding Chiles poor health (after all, he died in office as Florida Governor, but Presidency is much more harsh), but I don't want to suggest anything Wink
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« Reply #239 on: August 31, 2009, 11:19:50 AM »

An update will come soon.  If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask them.

Ben, what's happens to Al Gore, Bill Clinton, John Kerry and some othe figures?

Gore, Clinton, and Kerry are all holding the same jobs in this TL that they held at this point in RL.
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« Reply #240 on: August 31, 2009, 11:59:37 AM »

Whats going on with my man Rudy Giuliani?
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« Reply #241 on: August 31, 2009, 01:58:50 PM »

Whats going on with my man Rudy Giuliani?

Giuliani worked in the Hatfield Justice Department from 1981-1984, when he was appointed U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York.  As of now, he still holds that position.
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« Reply #242 on: August 31, 2009, 09:41:48 PM »

Hilarious California results.
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« Reply #243 on: August 31, 2009, 09:44:52 PM »


How so?
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« Reply #244 on: September 03, 2009, 05:33:55 PM »

Fresno, Tulare and Kings do not vote D if Santa Barbara and San Benito vote D.
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« Reply #245 on: September 05, 2009, 09:12:42 PM »

I bump thee.
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« Reply #246 on: September 05, 2009, 09:16:08 PM »


Tomorrow or Monday, most likely.
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« Reply #247 on: September 07, 2009, 05:59:06 PM »


Untill then...Here's a recap, for the first half of the timeline...

JFK Lives: Presidents of the United States

35. John F. “Jack” Kennedy (D-MA): January 20th 1961-January 20th 1969
36. John Tower (R-TX): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1973
37. Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN): January 20th 1973-August 8th 1975*
38. Warren E. Hearnes (D-MO): August 8th 1975-January 20th 1981

39. Mark O. Hatfield (R-OR): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
40. Lawton M. Chiles Jr. (D-FL): January 20th 1989-???

Notes

37. Died in office due to an aortic aneurism.

JFK Lives: Vice-Presidents of the United States

37. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX): January 20th 1961-January 20th 1965
38. George A. Smathers (D-FL): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1969

39. Spiro T. Agnew (R-MD): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1973
40. Warren E. Hearnes (D-MO): January 20th 1973-August 8th 1975
Vacant: August 8th 1975-January 20th 1977
41. Frank F. Church III (D-ID): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981
42. George H.W. Bush (R-TX): January 30th 1981-January 20th 1989
43. Joseph R. “Joe” Biden Jr. (D-DE): January 20th 1989-???

JFK Lives: Failed Tickets

1964: Barry M. Goldwater (R-AZ)/William Scranton (R-PA)
1968: George A. Smathers (D-FL)/Henry M. “Scoop” Jackson (D-WA): William C. Westmoreland (A-SC)/Lester G. Maddox (A-GA)
1972: John Tower (R-TX)/Spiro T. Agnew (R-MD): Lester G. Maddox (A-GA)/John M. Ashbrook (A-OH)
1976: Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA)/Gerald R. Ford (R-MI)
1980: Warren E. Hearnes (D-MO)/Frank F. Church III (D-ID): Jesse A. Helms Jr. (A-NC)/Dr. Otis R. Bowen (A-IN)
1984: Michael S. “Mike” Dukakis (D-MA)/Lloyd M. Bentsen (D-TX)
1988: Robert J. “Bob” Dole (R-KA)/Jack F. Kemp (R-NY)


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« Reply #248 on: September 07, 2009, 06:01:25 PM »

Thanks Historico; I regret to announce that an update will not be out for at least 4 more days; I start school tomorrow, and will have a lot to do because of that.
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« Reply #249 on: September 12, 2009, 03:03:31 PM »

Well, my brain has apparently shut down almost completely, and I have no idea when an update will come.  Sorry Sad
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