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« Reply #50 on: December 20, 2005, 10:15:26 pm »
« edited: December 20, 2005, 10:17:53 pm by Senator Gabu »

1912 - Wilson vs. Taft vs. Roosevelt (me) vs. Debs

This election turned out to be one of the nastiest elections ever in American history.  Roosevelt's entire campaign was basically "Wilson sucks", "Taft sucks", and "Debs sucks".  Every single campaign speech made by Roosevelt was, without fail, bashing Wilson.  The only positive thing released about Roosevelt himself was a single, solitary ad that Roosevelt ran for two days at the midpoint of the election in 25 states and then for another two days in all 50 states.

By a few days before the election, the newspapers looked like this:



...and the state of the country looked like this:



Note the momenta of the candidates.

Roosevelt eventually turned the tide through a 2-day 50-state ad blitz right at the end, resulting in the following results:



Theodore Roosevelt - 484 EVs - 55% PV
Woodrow Wilson - 18 EVs - 17% PV
Eugene Debs - 17 EVs - 14% PV
William Taft - 12 EVs - 12% PV

Individual candidate maps:

Wilson



Taft



Roosevelt



Debs



No, I really cannot explain Alabama for the life of me either.
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« Reply #51 on: December 21, 2005, 05:47:04 am »

1980 - Carter vs. Reagan vs. Anderson (me)

Not much to say other than that I WON SOME STATES AS ANDERSON!!!!!!



Ronald Reagan - 289 EVs - 44% PV
Jimmy Carter - 230 EVs - 34% PV
John Anderson - 19 EVs - 20% PV

I'm going to see if I can further refine the technique I'm developing for playing as third-party candidates with very little money.
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« Reply #52 on: December 21, 2005, 07:30:02 am »
« Edited: December 21, 2005, 07:32:34 am by Senator Gabu »

2000 - Gore vs. Bush vs. Nader (me)

I think Nader creamed his pants while watching the results of this election come in.



George W. Bush - 269 EVs - 40% PV
Al Gore - 243 EVs - 39% PV
Ralph Nader - 26 EVs - 20% PV

Yep, no electoral majority due to Nader's candidacy.

Congress elected Bush.

I shudder to think about what the election's fallout would be if this actually happened in reality.
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« Reply #53 on: December 21, 2005, 08:16:03 pm »

If NY voted Bush and OK voted Gore in reality, I think there would be bigger fallout.

Haha, true enough. Cheesy
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« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2005, 10:29:14 pm »

2004 - Kerry vs. Bush vs. Badnarik (me)

This one's for all of the libertarians out there.



George W. Bush - 277 EVs - 47% PV
John Kerry - 257 EVs - 41% PV
Michael Badnarik - 4 EVs - 11% PV

I bet you wish this was real. Wink
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« Reply #55 on: December 22, 2005, 12:18:54 am »

I doubt this is even possible in real life....

(picture)

I didn't even have dynamism on. I got two scandals(power 9's on integrity and leadership), and ran ads for one day each when I needed to regain momentum, won all three debates, and finished with a 4 day ad blitz.

Wow, maybe I'll have to reconsider Feingold after all. Wink
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« Reply #56 on: December 24, 2005, 05:37:46 am »

1789 - Washington vs. Adams (me)



George Washington - 3 EVs - 38% PV
John Adams - 66 EVs - 61% PV

Though a renowned hero in the war, when election by popular vote is brought in earlier than expected, America decides to say "up yours" to Washington and elects John Adams as its first president.
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« Reply #57 on: December 29, 2005, 09:35:00 pm »


Was that scenario edited at all, by any chance? Tongue
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« Reply #58 on: December 29, 2005, 10:57:05 pm »
« Edited: December 29, 2005, 11:00:25 pm by Senator Gabu »

1860 - Lincoln (me) vs. Breckinridge vs. Douglas vs. Bell

I really, really tried to crack a Southern state as Lincoln.  I really did.  But it just can't be done.  I give up.  This is the best I can do:



Abraham Lincoln - 186 EVs - 52% PV
John Breckinridge - 90 EVs - 15% PV
John Bell - 27 EVs - 11% PV
Stephen Douglas - 0 EVs - 19% PV

The only states I could have maybe picked off had I had more luck would have been Maryland, Missouri, and Virginia.  I didn't get over 30% in any other state, save for South Carolina, in which I got 30.1%, but Breckinridge got 56.3% in that state.
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« Reply #59 on: December 30, 2005, 12:07:48 am »

Maybe you should try starting with Bell and work your way up?  Or something?

The main problem with Lincoln is that he starts with, like, close to 0% in most Southern states.  My campaign consistently raises that by around 20-30%, but you just don't have enough time to get it high enough to win any states.
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« Reply #60 on: December 30, 2005, 12:57:56 am »

Yeah, I just won the entire South save for South Carolina with Bell.  I think it's safe to say that it's easier to do with Bell than it is with Lincoln.
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« Reply #61 on: December 30, 2005, 01:22:54 am »

HAHAHAHA I DID IT

I DID IT

1860 - Lincoln (me) vs. Breckinridge vs. Douglas vs. Bell



Abraham Lincoln - 190 EVs - 57% PV
John Bell - 42 EVs - 9% PV
Stephen Douglas - 36 EVs - 20% PV
John Breckinridge - 35 EVs - 12% PV

And now, having accomplished that, I will now attempt to win as Breckinridge, just for StatesRights. Smiley
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« Reply #62 on: December 30, 2005, 02:11:01 am »
« Edited: December 30, 2005, 05:25:13 am by Senator Gabu »

i think i did it

1860 - Lincoln vs. Breckenridge (me) vs. Douglas vs. Bell



John Breckenridge - 298 EVs - 48% PV
Abraham Lincoln - 5 EVs - 25% PV
Stephen Douglas - 0 EVs - 16% PV
John Bell - 0 EVs - 9% PV

I couldn't quite breach the Republican fortress of Vermont.

If you want to try this yourself, here's what my strategy was:

1. Immediately begin researching a scandal on anyone.

2. Use all of your remaining energy to get endorsed by every organization that will give you a momentum boost.

3. Make constant ads that take three days to complete following this pattern:

   a. Leadership - Breckenridge
   b. Experience - Breckenridge
   c. Leadership - Attacking Bell
   d. Leadership - Breckenridge
   e. Leadership - Attacking Lincoln
   f. Experience - Breckenridge
   g. Leadership - Attacking Douglas
   h. Repeat d-g until the end of the campaign.  If Bell starts to get uppity, insert a Bell attack ad and then continue.

The moment an ad is ready, run it for the full seven days in every state.

4. The moment a scandal becomes available, leak it and spin it for all it's worth.  If someone else leaks a scandal on someone who isn't you, spin that one for all it's worth.  Do everything in your power to get a strong scandal on someone else at the top of headlines.  Make absolutely sure you are not the first person to get hit by a scandal.  If you are, you're probably screwed, because the other three will inevitably spin it up and put you into a freefall.  If you can get a large scandal on top of the headlines, the chances of you being hurt by a scandal go way down, as you can usually then spin it down unhindered (the people nearly always spin the biggest scandal, I've noticed).

5. Pray.
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« Reply #63 on: December 30, 2005, 09:43:57 pm »

Yeah, I just won the entire South save for South Carolina with Bell.  I think it's safe to say that it's easier to do with Bell than it is with Lincoln.

No, I'm talking about winning the North with Bell.

Oh, I see.

Yeah, that's pretty hard, in that case.  I was ahead in a few northern states with a week and a bit to go, but that damn Lincoln shot me down at the last minute.
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« Reply #64 on: January 02, 2006, 05:44:36 am »

2004 - Kerry vs. Bush vs. Nader (me) vs. Badnarik

Winning states as Nader in 2004 is a heck of a lot harder than it is in 2000.  I finally succeeded!



George W. Bush - 321 EVs - 43% PV
John Kerry - 203 EVs - 37% PV
Ralph Nader - 14 EVs - 17% PV
Michael Badnarik - 0 EVs - 2% PV
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« Reply #65 on: January 02, 2006, 06:15:05 am »
« Edited: January 02, 2006, 06:17:06 am by Senator Gabu »

2000 - Gore vs. Bush vs. Nader (me) vs. Browne

I decided to concentrate all of my efforts onto heavily conservative Bush states in an effort to create a truly ridiculous map.

The effort succeeded more than I thought it would.



Al Gore - 282 EVs - 42% PV
George W. Bush - 230 EVs - 32% PV
Ralph Nader - 26 EVs - 22% PV
Harry Browne - 0 EVs - 2% PV

Yes, that is a Gore victory in Alaska, Nader victories in Utah and Wyoming, and >50% Nader in Mississippi...

And no, I don't know what the heck happened with Massachusetts.
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« Reply #66 on: January 08, 2006, 06:31:35 pm »

So close, and yet so far...


Eugene Debs - 258 EV - 28% PV
Woodrow Wilson - 147 EV - 23% PV
Howard Taft - 102 EV - 26% PV
Theodore Roosevelt - 24 EV - 21% PV

I'm proud that Washington gave Debs his highest percentage. Cheesy
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« Reply #67 on: January 18, 2006, 10:49:59 pm »

I decided to try my hand at 1992.

1992 - Clinton vs. Bush vs. Perot (me)



H. Ross Perot - 493 EVs - 54% PV
George H. W. Bush - 33 EVs - 23% PV
Bill Clinton - 12 EVs - 22% PV

This game isn't even a challenge anymore when playing as candidates who had any sort of chance in real life.

I got 43.4% of the vote in DC.
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« Reply #68 on: January 18, 2006, 11:53:33 pm »

1984 - Mondale vs. Reagan (me)

Just for fun, I decided to play as Reagan.  It wasn't pretty.



Ronald Reagan - 538 EVs - 75% PV
Walter Mondale - 0 EVs - 24% PV
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« Reply #69 on: January 19, 2006, 02:11:39 am »


I tried once and got around 220 electoral votes.  I can certainly try again, if you'd like me to, however. Smiley
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« Reply #70 on: January 19, 2006, 02:54:07 am »

Well, that went well.

1968 - Humphrey vs. Nixon vs. Wallace (me)



George Wallace - 307 EVs - 42% PV
Hubert Humphrey - 153 EVs - 30% PV
Richard Nixon - 79 EVs - 26% PV

I hope you enjoyed that, States. Smiley
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« Reply #71 on: January 20, 2006, 03:31:08 am »
« Edited: January 20, 2006, 03:36:22 am by Senator Gabu »

How the hell do you do that Gabu. That's crazy!

This is my strategy, if you want to try reproducing it:

1. Start researching a leadership scandal for your biggest opponent.  If you succeed, then either start researching one for your next biggest opponent if you have more than one or start researching an integrity scandal for your opponent if not.  Continue researching as many as you can get.  In the second to last week, release the weaker scandal, if you have more than one.  In the last week, release the biggest scandal.  If you somehow manage to get three, release the third with a week and a half to go.

2. Start making ads immediately and aim to have four by about three and a half weeks remaining.  If you have one opponent, make a leadership and experience one both for yourself and attacking your opponent.  If you have two, make the same for yourself, but make two leadership ones, one attacking each of your opponents.  If you have three, make a leadership one for you and leadership ones attacking all three of your opponents.  Once you're at about three and a half weeks to go, run all four ads in twenty-five states, beginning with the first state in which the difference is less than +10 and going on down the list until you've reached twenty-five.  Run the ads until you've used half of your money (keep more than half if running it for one extra day will take it to less than half).  Halt the ads.  Then, in the last week, set the ads to twenty-five states again according to the same criteria and calculate how many days you can run them for without running out of money.  Run it when you have that many days plus one remaining.  Then, with one day to go, run the ads in all fifty states.  If you're not at least fifteen million dollars in debt the next day, you didn't do the ad stuff right (in 2004, that is - augment this for the year you're in).

3. Do absolutely nothing with your CPs for the first few days until you've gotten endorsements from every single organization that gives you a momentum boost.

4. Spin with a 100% success rate (or the closest you can get) absolutely any negative news story on your opponent power 3 or higher.

5. If you have at least 3 CPs free on any given turn, use them to attack the opponent with the highest momentum on whatever is the hottest topic of the day.  Don't bother making any positive speeches.  Negative speeches have at least twice as much likelihood of making the news.

The basic idea is to start off with a bang to get yourself some early momentum, then blast the place with an ad blitz for a short while, which will handily solidify all of the close states leaning towards you and slice off all of the close states leaning away from you.  Then in the last week, the same thing occurs, and then the 50-state ad blitz gets you huge momentum nationwide, which can often produce a surprisingly strong result.


Dunno.  Both candidates performed better there than anywhere else in the South.

I could also ask why the heck Massachusetts decided to vote for Wallace. Smiley
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« Reply #72 on: January 21, 2006, 10:53:55 pm »

I used Gabu's method and it worked wonders. Thanks a ton.

Glad to hear I have my first satisfied customer. Smiley
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« Reply #73 on: January 21, 2006, 11:08:27 pm »

1960 - Kennedy (me) vs. Nixon

This one was fun.



John F. Kennedy - 507 EVs - 69% PV
Richard Nixon - 30 EVs - 29% PV
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« Reply #74 on: January 22, 2006, 02:33:42 am »
« Edited: January 22, 2006, 02:36:03 am by Senator Gabu »

I decided to download that scenario of Sarnstrom's. Smiley

2008 - Clinton (me) vs. Giuliani

You have no chance to survive make your time.



Hillary Clinton - 538 EVs - 66% PV
Rudy Giuliani - 0 EVs - 33% PV

Clinton got 92.2% of the vote in DC.  The closest state was Alabama, which Clinton won 52.2%-47.7%.
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