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« Reply #700 on: December 07, 2006, 01:37:05 am »

To Continue...

First I would liek to say that this is the first time I even defeated McCain in an open field... in fact, it is the first time I have ever defeated him in the game.  I'm not sure how much, if at all, the elimination of Frist and Allen (which is entirely accurate now) effected the result, but it seems that I was either lucky, I'm picking up some skill, found the right issues, or simply got lucky.

Anyway, I didn't spend much time attacking Hillary.  I did the standard scandal research, but that was it.  She didn't attack me at first that much either.  Her lead in the polls just after the conventions was huge (about 6% of the PV) and while I had small leads in some non-traditionally Republican states (PA, MI, MN, WI, MA) I was getting killed in several 2004 swing states (down 10% in Ohio, 13% in Nevada, 8% in New Mexico) not to mention I was behind in all the peripheral south (except NC) by large margins and was trailing in Louisiana, Mississippi, South Dakota, Nebraska (by a whoping 13%), Wyoming and Oklahoma and was only 1 point up in Georgia and NC.  The only real bright spot was that I was up by a seemly impossible 23% in Missouri (and it held through the election, which it is not unrare in the primaries version to see large leads vanish... well, just look at the election as a whole, heh).


Well, so I figured first thing first.  I went to all the traditionally Republican states (excpet Arkansas, Virginia and WV, which I conceded to Clinton) to see if I could get my name out there and drum up support.  Many of these state, I simply hadn't had time to visit during the primaries.  This generated some mixed results.  I was able to get Mississippi (and how) and LA back on my side, but Tennessee continued to be a battle.

At this point, I was losing major ground in some of the states I already had... I was sliding in Georgia, Florida, Texas and Mass.  I was half tempted to just give up on this one, but I decided to see it through.  Things started to change once I got my first Hillary Health Care commercial out.  I blasted the airwaves of over 20 states with 3 ads, the other two possitive for me.

Wyoming soon fell back into my column, as did Georgia and Florida, and I stopped the bleeding in Texas.  Within about two weeks, I had managed to grab up New Mexico, Oklahoma, Tennessee and almost had Ohio is my column.  Then... Hillary hit me with two scandals at once.  I lost Tennessee and all the other states I was able to pick up or get back once again fell into the toss-up or lean columns.

My next break didn't come until about two weeks later when I cruched Hillary in the first debate.  At first, the reaction was acctually kinda negative (almost as though I made her look so bad that people thought I was being mean), but soon a possitive effect started to kick in and all the close states started to lean back towards me.  I picked up Ohio.

I was till about 3% behind in the PV polls and needed about another 20 EVs to win, even if all the close states went for me.  I looked around, wieghed my options and went for California.  Granted, I was 13 points down there, but there were a lot of undecides.  The second debate came, and I once again crush Clinton... who then promptly released a Level 6 scandal against me.  While I was well in the possitive momentum range in many of my key states, the scandal was killing me in Indiana, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio (I must has said I don't like cheese... ha).  So I had to abort in California and head there.  Luckily, thanks to my foot soldiers, my momentum in Cali was self sustaining, and I soon got the Midwest back under control, although I temporarily lost Indiana.  Having sepnt all that time in that part of the map, I started eyeing up Illinios and figures "why not".  It was basically the same situation as Cali... so I headed in.

I defeated Clinton once again in the third debate, but not by quite as much as the first two.

By this time, Hillary was going full out negative on me... and it backfired.  Several "is the Clinton camp to Negative" and "Clinton Attack Ad Backfires" stories started to appear and I took full advantage of all of them.  In the last week, I had spare cash, and a decent lead, so I figured "why not go all out"... I started running ads in all the states I had written off as "out of reach".

Apparently, she was doing something that worked in North Carolina and Wisconsin, because I was very suprised at the closeness of the final results there, but for the most part, a tidal wave started in favor of me.

On election night, I was delighted when, at 9:22 PM, Illinois went from "Too Close to Call" to my column, putting me over the top.  I was even more delighted when Arkansas, while I had been down 11 points in just one week before, also went my way by 2%.

It wasn't quite the wash that the map might make it seem, several states, including Cali weren't called until hours after the polls closed there.

I would like to point out though that, yep, that is >70% in Missouri... 72% to be exact... it was my biggest win of the night.
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« Reply #701 on: December 07, 2006, 05:22:26 pm »

Also, has anyone else played the 2004 Iowa Caucus scenario?  I simply cannot win as Kerry...it's about impossible.

I just tried.  There's something seriously wrong with that scenario.  Gephardt had a momentum of around -50 for the entire campaign due to constant scandals.  No movement whatsoever.  Zip.  Zilch.  Gephardt made a clean sweep of Iowa, winning every congressional district.

I will not be trying it again. Tongue
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« Reply #702 on: December 07, 2006, 05:27:10 pm »

Also, has anyone else played the 2004 Iowa Caucus scenario?  I simply cannot win as Kerry...it's about impossible.

I just tried.  There's something seriously wrong with that scenario.  Gephardt had a momentum of around -50 for the entire campaign due to constant scandals.  No movement whatsoever.  Zip.  Zilch.  Gephardt made a clean sweep of Iowa, winning every congressional district.

I will not be trying it again. Tongue

Yeah, it's really weird.  I may try to edit the scenario files somewhat.



Also, is there just a straight 2008 scenario anywhere?
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« Reply #703 on: December 07, 2006, 05:31:24 pm »

Also, is there just a straight 2008 scenario anywhere?

What do you mean "straight 2008"?
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« Reply #704 on: December 07, 2006, 06:02:33 pm »

Also, is there just a straight 2008 scenario anywhere?

What do you mean "straight 2008"?
just a realistic 2008 scenario, not something with a strong 3rd party or a every state is tied or something
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« Reply #705 on: December 07, 2006, 06:10:07 pm »

just a realistic 2008 scenario, not something with a strong 3rd party or a every state is tied or something

This one is a very good 2008 scenario.
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« Reply #706 on: December 07, 2006, 08:56:41 pm »

Can someone play me on one of these cool new ones?
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« Reply #707 on: December 07, 2006, 08:59:06 pm »

Can someone play me on one of these cool new ones?

Just go find a cracked version of the game somewhere. Tongue
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« Reply #708 on: December 07, 2006, 10:08:16 pm »

Is there anywhere I can download the complete game free? I have the demo, and as soon as I was getting into it... it cut me off. What a let-down. Sad
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« Reply #709 on: December 07, 2006, 10:09:54 pm »

Is there anywhere I can download the complete game free?

Not legally, at any rate. Tongue
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« Reply #710 on: December 08, 2006, 03:48:31 pm »

Can someone play me on one of these cool new ones?

The problem with the primaries version is that you need to program a starting amount for each candidate, or elese they will start out at "0"... so it is a lot harder to do than it was in the old one.  Plus, you have to program the issues in for each candidate and they each have 7 possitions now instead of 5, which makes it more realistic, but also makes it harder to creat other people as candidates.
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« Reply #711 on: December 08, 2006, 04:57:14 pm »

Can someone play me on one of these cool new ones?

The problem with the primaries version is that you need to program a starting amount for each candidate, or elese they will start out at "0"... so it is a lot harder to do than it was in the old one.

You can highlight more than one state at a time using shift or control.
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« Reply #712 on: December 09, 2006, 03:59:58 pm »
« Edited: December 09, 2006, 04:03:41 pm by RBH »



Truman/Harriman (D) - 50,524,886 votes (64.4975%)
Eisenhower/Nixon (R) - 27,811,347 votes (35.5025%)

Best states for Truman:
New York - 75/25
North Carolina - 75/25
Vermont - 75/25
Wisconsin - 74/26
New Mexico - 74/26

Worst states for Truman
Arizona - 50.37/49.63
Kansas - 54/46
Iowa - 55/45
Michigan - 55/45
West Virginia - 55/45

In this version of history, apparently Eisenhower turns out to be an inept campaigner.

Using "Ike vs Adlai - 1952" I grilled Eisenhower on Education and Unemployment. After softening up his northern support with criticism of his integration stand.
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« Reply #713 on: December 17, 2006, 09:37:58 pm »
« Edited: December 17, 2006, 09:41:49 pm by ilikeverin »

Election 2008

I played as Badnarik, and didn't do much until the general election, because, for one, he doesn't have a primary opponent, and for two, this was mostly intended to be a test of my tampered-with 2008 scenario.  I added three more candidates to the Constitution nomination (Randy Jones of Alabama (Cheesy), Snootay Bankeur of New York, and Wayne Granger of Wyoming) and also fixed the dates a bit so that some momentum could have a chance to build due to primary victories.  The numbers I gave them in each state actually made the primary as a whole rather competitive, which was fun to watch Smiley 

Eventually John Kerry won a very competitive Democratic primary over Hillary Clinton, thanks in part to a pre-convention endorsement from John Edwards.  Interestingly, this was the first computer-only primary I've seen where there was no majority at the convention; Joe Biden and Wes Clark were also in the race, but they both gave most of their delegates to Kerry to push him over the margin necessary.  The Republican primary was a bit of a snoozer... Romney took the lead a short time after the New Hampshire primary, and never let go.  I managed to get McCain's endorsement before he departed the race.  The Constitution primaries also went to Bankeur at the convention, when Peroutka and Granger gave most of their votes to him instead of to Jones.

Once it got to the general election, I started creating crusaders and making ads.  The day before election day I released them in strategically selected markets, and on election day proper I did the typical 50-state ad blitz (well, 49, you'll see what I mean).

Here are the results:


John Kerry/Wesley Clark (D) - 54,682,029 votes (46.2%) - 345 EV
Mitt Romney/Condoleezza Rice (R) - 45,948,816 votes (38.8%) - 193 EV
Michael Badnarik/Lance Brown (L) - 12,414,832 votes (10.5%) - 0 EV
Snooty Bankeur/Wayne Granger (C) - 5,403,460 votes (4.6%) - 0 EV

Democratic:


Republican:


Libertarian:

No Ballot means no ballot access.

Constitution:


Whee Smiley

Oh, and, gotta mention: based on 2004 registration numbers, this is an impressive 70.59% turnout!
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« Reply #714 on: December 26, 2006, 01:46:23 am »

I almost blew a 17 point lead.

The last poll before the election had me up 57-40

The final results..

Leon Sharpe (R) - 1,177,697 (51.51%)
Janet Napolitano (D) - 1,108,643 (48.49%)



Best County for Sharpe: Yavapai (78%)
Worst County for Sharpe: Apache (23%)

Granted, if the scenario wasn't so screwy that it put the election on a Sunday, then I could have seen it all coming.

And the EV-ish thing for Arizona gave the election to Napolitano due to Maricopa.

But yeah, that tops any other game, meltdown-wise.
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« Reply #715 on: December 27, 2006, 01:28:04 am »

In memory of the late President Gerald Rudolph Ford Junior, I narrowly won as incumbent President Ford. Here's the results from the Electoral College.



Ford-Reagan 50% 284 EV
Carter-Mondale 45% 254 EV
McCarthy-Lucey 5% 0 EV
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« Reply #716 on: December 27, 2006, 04:57:57 am »

I didn't quite top that 69/27 Rossi win a few pages back, but



Webb (R): 69%
Gregoire (D): 29%
Bennett (L): 2%


Best county for
Webb: Adams (80.9%)
Gregoire: Jefferson (37.5%)
Bennett: Skamania (4.4%)

Worst county for
Webb: Jefferson (60%)
Gregoire: Benton (17.4%)
Bennett: Thurston (0.2%)

It only took $15M to elect a guy who wants to ban all abortions with 69% of the vote
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« Reply #717 on: December 27, 2006, 05:08:48 am »

Who...is Webb, exactly?

I feel ashamed that I don't know this.
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« Reply #718 on: December 27, 2006, 01:57:00 pm »

Who...is Webb, exactly?

I feel ashamed that I don't know this.

Webb is just a guy who I use for various political sim games. He's basically more conservative than Bush.

And I gave him the home county of Spokane County.
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« Reply #719 on: December 27, 2006, 08:39:07 pm »

America is doomed





The real total is 292-246 Wallace.

And the climb involved going from 9% to 30% after 3 polls.
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« Reply #720 on: December 27, 2006, 09:29:34 pm »

America is doomed



The real total is 292-246 Wallace.

And the climb involved going from 9% to 30% after 3 polls.

Cheesy

I've won as Wallace before, too.  Good stuff.
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« Reply #721 on: December 27, 2006, 10:11:09 pm »

McCain/Hagel vs Biden/Clark



McCain 322 - 50.3%
Biden 216 - 49.7%

IA, NM, OR, MI, PA, MI, GA and OH were all decided by less than 0.5%

McCain only got over 60% in UT, WY, ID and MS
Biden got 60% in NY, MA, IL, MD, VT and RI
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« Reply #722 on: December 28, 2006, 01:17:14 am »

Bush/Cheney v. Kerry/Edwards v. Nader v. Penn/Teller





Having an unrealistic amount of money is good. Even if you have to preserve it near the end, preventing you from winning it all.

I did spend a lot on the Saturday before the election, leading to this:



and this:



and it gave me a bounce of one point!

Whoo!

And I mainly kept Teller on the road fundraising instead of speaking.
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« Reply #723 on: January 29, 2007, 12:27:12 am »
« Edited: January 29, 2007, 12:30:19 am by RBH »



Bush - 41,452,892 (279 EV, 33.35%)
Kerry - 41,931,015 (214 EV, 33.74%)
Buchanan - 40,902,921 (45 EV, 32.91%)

The Popular Vote Surrenders

(Although, I did do a good job using large amounts of money. Around $550M spent for Buchanan)
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« Reply #724 on: February 09, 2007, 10:08:10 am »

Carter vs. Reagan 1980 (dynamism off, no negative ads)





Carter
PV: 49%
EV: 414

Reagan
PV: 43%
EV: 124

Anderson
PV: 5%
EV: 0

Clark
PV: 1%
EV: 0
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