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« Reply #3000 on: July 09, 2016, 07:01:54 PM »

For the record 2012 is virtually impossible to win because Gingrich has such a big polling lead

I hope they fix it. I have tried like 10 Santorum '12 games with only 1 success (after I picked Gingrich as my Veep). I did crush Obama by like 6 or 7 points for which I got on my leaderboards. Primaries are really a bear though.
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« Reply #3001 on: July 13, 2016, 12:45:48 AM »

2008: Bayh's Turn

The 2008 Democratic Primary was always going to be an uphill battle for little-known maverick Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana.  Even after getting his first major campaign endorsement from Illinois Senator Barack Obama, who was widely expected to enter the race before opting to remain in the Senate, Bayh's campaign would see little traction before the first several debates.  His main rival?  Hillary Clinton, who was determined to stay in to the end.

But despite early states' polls going in other candidates' favor, Bayh defied all expectations with his monumental win in the Iowa caucuses, followed by a close second showing in New Hampshire, where just two points sat between him and John Edwards, the charismatic former North Carolina senator and 2004 Vice Presidential candidate.  Bayh scored a second narrow victory in Nevada, where Clinton had led by as much as fifty points weeks before, only to come under a deluge of scandals in the final days.

Still, Clinton was victorious on Super Tuesday, although Bayh again defied expectations with narrow victories in several key Midwestern states.  Edwards was not far behind.  After losing several states, Bayh's path to the nomination started to look bleak, just before making a heavy comeback in winning Ohio, Texas, and Rhode Island.  Eventually, most other candidates would drop out and endorse Clinton.

A brokered convention appeared almost certain.  At this point, Edwards had no real path to the nomination on his own, even as polls had him well ahead in several upcoming contests, especially his home state.  But, shortly after Bayh claimed a narrow win in the hotly contested Pennsylvania primary, Edwards dropped out and endorsed him, effectively guaranteeing him the nomination.  The following Tuesday, Bayh swept through Indiana and pulled out a narrow victory in North Carolina.

By now, the Democratic nomination was all locked up, with Republicans John McCain, Mitt Romney, and Mike Huckabee all still in a very tough race for their party's nomination.  Still, Clinton was able to pick off big wins in Nebraska and West Virginia, prompting Bayh to select her as his running mate in effort to unify a deeply divided party.  After the last contest, Bayh finished in the popular vote with just a 32% plurality, followed by Clinton with 30%.


Convention vote:
Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana - all delegates
Senator Hillary Clinton of New York - 0 delegates
Former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina - 0 delegates
Senator Joe Biden of Delaware - 0 delegates [only carried his home state in primaries]
Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico - 0 delegates




The Republicans consolidated around John McCain, who picked former Tennessee senator Fred Thompson as his running mate.  The stock market crash, in conjunction with superior debating performances and bipartisan endorsements, kept Bayh well ahead throughout the campaign.  He goes on to win the general election in a landslide.


Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana and Senator Hillary Clinton of New York - 417 EVs, 57.8%
Senator John McCain of Arizona and former Senator Fred Thompson of Tennessee - 121 EVs, 39.7%
Former Congressman Bob Barr of Georgia and Mr. Wayne Root of Nevada - 0 EVs, .9%
Mr. Ralph Nader of Connecticut and Mr. Matt Gonzalez of Texas - 1.6%
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« Reply #3002 on: July 17, 2016, 07:08:17 PM »

2016 scenario



Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Virginia Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA) 45.7% and 298 electoral votes
Businessman Donald Trump (R-NY)/Governor Mike Pence (R-IN) 42.5% and 240 electoral votes
Governor Gary Johnson (L-NM)/Governor William Weld (L-MA) 7.2% and 0 electoral votes
Doctor Jill Stein (G-MA)/Bill Kreml (G-SC) 3.9% and 0 electoral votes

Third party best performances:
Vermont: TRUMP 36.5% STEIN 28.7% CLINTON 28.4% JOHNSON 6.4%
Maine: TRUMP 39.9% CLINTON 37.3% JOHNSON 15.7% STEIN 7.1%
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« Reply #3003 on: July 17, 2016, 07:32:33 PM »

2016 scenario



Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Virginia Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA) 45.7% and 298 electoral votes
Businessman Donald Trump (R-NY)/Governor Mike Pence (R-IN) 42.5% and 240 electoral votes
Governor Gary Johnson (L-NM)/Governor William Weld (L-MA) 7.2% and 0 electoral votes
Doctor Jill Stein (G-MA)/Bill Kreml (G-SC) 3.9% and 0 electoral votes

Third party best performances:
Vermont: TRUMP 36.5% STEIN 28.7% CLINTON 28.4% JOHNSON 6.4%
Maine: TRUMP 39.9% CLINTON 37.3% JOHNSON 15.7% STEIN 7.1%

Seems completely accurate.
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« Reply #3004 on: July 18, 2016, 04:47:43 PM »

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« Reply #3005 on: July 21, 2016, 12:49:48 AM »

2008: Old Rivals

Vice President Dick Cheney had everything against him when he entered the presidential race.  His announcement came as a surprise to many, with the lagging economy and Cheney's health cited as reasons he would not enter the race, or trivialize Republican chances of holding onto the White House if he did.  Despite these concerns, Cheney quickly rose to frontrunner status in the primary.  Though he pulled off a much closer-than-expected win in his home state Wyoming caucuses, his subsequent victories in Nevada, South Carolina, and Florida kept the map in his favor.  By the end of the Texas/Ohio/Vermont/Rhode Island primaries, Cheney was the presumptive nominee.  His opponents dropped out shortly after.


Vice President Dick Cheney of Wyoming (winner)
Former Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts
Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York
Former Governor Mike Huckabee of Arkansas



With an uphill battle for the general ahead, Cheney, desperate for centrist voters, picked independent senator, and former rival, Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, for his running mate in what many saw as a potential game-changer.  Delaware Senator Joe Biden just barely edged out Illinois Senator Barack Obama, and chose Virginia Governor Tim Kaine as his running mate.

Cheney spent much of the general election attacking Biden for his integrity, as he was previously forced to suspend an earlier presidential campaign after he was caught plagiarizing a speech.  But, with the stock market crash, Biden led through most of the campaign.

Cheney's saving grace this election would be an unexpected scandal involving Biden and a live boy.  Cheney pulled out a victory with the most illogical of results:



Vice President Dick Cheney of Wyoming and Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut (Republican) - 293 EVs, 51.1%
Senator Joe Biden of Delaware and Governor Tim Kaine of Virginia (Democratic) - 245 EVs, 46.2%
Former Congressman Bob Barr of Georgia and Mr. Wayne Root of Nevada (Libertarian) - 0 EVs, .8%
Mr. Ralph Nader of Connecticut and Mr. Matt Gonzalez of Texas - 0 EVs, 1.9%
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« Reply #3006 on: July 21, 2016, 09:08:06 AM »

2008: Old Rivals

Cheney spent much of the general election attacking Biden for his integrity, as he was previously forced to suspend an earlier presidential campaign after he was caught plagiarizing a speech.  But, with the stock market crash, Biden led through most of the campaign.

Cheney's saving grace this election would be an unexpected scandal involving Biden and a live boy.  Cheney pulled out a victory with the most illogical of results:


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« Reply #3007 on: July 21, 2016, 06:21:23 PM »

Edwin Edwards joke.
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« Reply #3008 on: July 22, 2016, 09:50:10 AM »

Dem Primaries

Former Governor Martin O'Malley (MD)
Senator Bernie Sanders (VT)
Vice President Joe Biden (DE)
Rep Primaries

Senator Marco Rubio (FL)
Governor John Kasich (OH)
Ben Carson (MD)
Former Governor Jeb Bush (FL)
Senator Ted Cruz (TX)
Former Governor Mike Huckabee (AR)
GE (reset)

Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) / Senator Bob Corker (R-TN) - 338/53%
Senator Bernie Sanders (D-VT) / Secretary of State John Kerry (D-MA) - 200/46.7%
GE (no reset, for the lulz)

Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) / Senator Bob Corker (R-TN) - 471/59.7%
Senator Bernie Sanders (D-VT) / Secretary of State John Kerry (D-MA) - 67/40%
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« Reply #3009 on: July 22, 2016, 07:30:57 PM »

Dem Primaries



Vice President Joe Biden - 3,692 Delegates, 68.3%
Senator Elizabeth Warren - 533 Delegates, 11.9%
Senator Cory Booker - 182 Delegates, 6%
Former Senator Jim Webb - 180 Delegates, 6.2%
Senator Tim Kaine - 129 Delegates, 2.6%
Governor Andrew Cuomo - 41 Delegates, 3.4%
Former Governor Martin O'Malley - 8 Delegates, 1.5%

GOP Primaries



Senator Marco Rubio - 1,039 Delagtes, 28.1%
Senator Ted Cruz - 666 Delegates, 24.3%
Former Governor Bobby Jindal - 162 Delegates, 7.3%
Mrs. Carly Fiorina - 147 Delegates, 10.5%
Governor John Kasich - 111 Delegates, 3.8%
Former Senator Rick Santorum - 97 Delegates, 4.7%
Former Governor Jeb! Bush - 88 Delegates, 4.7%
Governor Chris Christie - 71 Delegates, 6.1%
Former Governor Mike Huckabee - 46 Delegates, 3.4%
Senator Rand Paul - 25 Delegates, 3.4%
Senator Lindsey Graham - 20 Delegates, 4.2%

Reset General Election


Senator Marco Rubio/Representative Peter King - 281 EV, 50.2%
Vice President Joe Biden/Senator Mark Warner - 257 EV, 48.3%

No Reset General Election


Senator Marco Rubio/Representative Peter King - 304 EV, 51.7%
Vice President Joe Biden/Senator Mark Warner - 234 EV, 47.1%
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« Reply #3010 on: July 22, 2016, 07:38:35 PM »


I see what you did there
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« Reply #3011 on: July 23, 2016, 05:01:49 AM »

Clinton's basically impossible to beat in the primary for 2016, isn't she?
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« Reply #3012 on: July 23, 2016, 06:08:25 PM »

Clinton's basically impossible to beat in the primary for 2016, isn't she?

She is, but you have to sweep the Feb primary states and really focus on the ST states and build up momentum against her in later states.
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« Reply #3013 on: July 26, 2016, 09:31:27 PM »
« Edited: July 26, 2016, 10:34:04 PM by #TheShadowyAbyss »

So, I just got the new sneak peek version of PI where you actually fight a contested convention and can play as the winning candidate and got this:



I played as CRUZ in the primaries and finished first in terms of pledged delegates while BUSH won the popular vote.

By the time of the convention, BUSH AND CRUZ were the final two candidates with TRUMP dropping out 2 days before the RNC.

None of the candidates released their delegates so the first ballot was:
CRUZ 799
BUSH 580
TRUMP 393
FIORINA 151
RUBIO 139
PATAKI 138
CARSON 82
HUCKABEE 56
SANTORUM 45
KASICH 41
GILMORE 27
PAUL 7
CHRISTIE 6
GRAHAM 5
JINDAL 2

Through several ballots, the final three candidates were:

FIORINA 1,028
CRUZ 846
BUSH 597

Bush was eliminated and all his delegates went to CARLY F'ING FIORINA

Final results:
☑FIORINA 1,625 (65.7%)
CRUZ 846 (34.3%)

And in the end, Fiorina didn't choose me as a unity candidate (FIORINA/CRUZ would have been hilarious)

SHE CHOSE JON HUNTSMAN LMAO

The Democratic convention results ended up being:
☑CLINTON 2,489
BIDEN 1,297
LESSIG!!! 444
SANDERS 331
CHAFEE 115
O'MALLEY 66
WEBB 0

The final tickets ended up being:

(R) Fiorina/Huntsman
(D) Clinton/Brown
(L) Johnson/McAfee
(G) Stein/Kreml

Republican and Democratic officials endorsed Clinton/Brown after the DNC commenced and polling after the DNC had

CLINTON 42%
FIORINA 40%
JOHNSON 7%
STEIN 4%
UNDECIDED 8%

The electoral map was:
CLINTON 278
FIORINA 223
UNDECIDED 37

Clinton refused to debate me during the first debate and thus the debate was cancelled.

After Clinton refused to participate in the first debate and a barrage of anti-Clinton integrity ads were released against her, polling shifted sharply in favor of Fiorina:

September 5th:
FIORINA 45% +5
CLINTON 40% -2%
JOHNSON 8% +1
STEIN 4% nc
UNDECIDED 3% -5%

Electoral college:
FIORINA 264
CLINTON 230
UNDECIDED 44

During the 2nd debate, Clinton utterly trounced Fiorina in the debate and with nationwide ads running touting her experience with foreign policy and families, Clinton achieved the big mo while Fiorina experienced negative momentum from the debate and polling reflected that:

October 10th:
CLINTON 44%
FIORINA 41%
JOHNSON 7%
STEIN 4%
UNDECIDED 5%

ELECTORAL COLLEGE:
CLINTON 273
FIORINA 223
UNDECIDED 42

On the final day of campaigning, Fiorina had the big mo with Clinton being deep in negative momentum territory in Pennsylvania



Moral of the story, never let the candidate who only got 3% of the primary vote be your nominee.
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« Reply #3014 on: July 28, 2016, 04:16:23 PM »

A mini-timeline I was expecting to be shorter, part 1:
1912:

Governor Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ) / Governor Thomas Marshall (D-IN) - 313/54.3%
Former President Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY) / VP James Sherman (R-NY) - 218/40.8%
1916:

President Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ) / VP Thomas Marshall (D-IN) - 304/55.7%
Governor Martin Brumbaugh (R-PA) / Senator Henry Cabot Lodge (R-MA) - 227/41.2%

1920:

Senator Hiram Johnson (R-CA) / Senator Robert La Follette (R-WI) - 342/53.4%
Attorney Gereral A. Mitchell Palmer (D-PA) / Governor Edward Edwards (D-NJ) - 189/44.8%
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« Reply #3015 on: July 30, 2016, 10:24:40 PM »


Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) / Senator Sherrod Brown (D-OH) - 345/52.7%
Ben Carson (R-FL) / Carly Fiorina (R-VA) - 193/46.9%
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« Reply #3016 on: July 31, 2016, 06:38:13 PM »


Mr. Donald Trump/Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn (Republican) - 167 EV, 25.8%
Secretary Hillary Clinton/Senator Al Franken (Democratic) - 157 EV, 25.8%
Governor W. Mitt Romney/Governor John E. Bush (Independent Republican) - 110 EV, 16.4%
Senator Bernie Sanders/Dr. Jill Stein (Green) - 58 EV, 11.1%
Vice President Dick Cheney/Governor Rick Perry (Constitution) - 36 EV, 4.7%
Senator Rand Paul/Governor Jesse Ventura (Libertarian) - 10 EV, 10.5%
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« Reply #3017 on: July 31, 2016, 09:16:13 PM »

I'm creating on a P4E 2016 scenario featuring only third-parties, which as of now includes the Libertarians, Greens, Constitutionists, and Socialists, but might include more.

Can't wait to finish it.  Gonna be YUGE.
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« Reply #3018 on: July 31, 2016, 11:12:58 PM »

I'm creating on a P4E 2016 scenario featuring only third-parties, which as of now includes the Libertarians, Greens, Constitutionists, and Socialists, but might include more.

Can't wait to finish it.  Gonna be YUGE.
For the old or new version?

I'm actually editing a really old scenario for '16 for P4E2008. It had Linda Lingle and Sean Parnell as candidates Tongue. I'm adding the actual 2016 candidates. The scenario also has a Gary Johnson candidacy polling at 9%. I thought that was really lame in 2013 when I first downloaded the scenario. Now it maes sense.
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« Reply #3019 on: July 31, 2016, 11:50:28 PM »

I'm creating on a P4E 2016 scenario featuring only third-parties, which as of now includes the Libertarians, Greens, Constitutionists, and Socialists, but might include more.

Can't wait to finish it.  Gonna be YUGE.
For the old or new version?

I'm actually editing a really old scenario for '16 for P4E2008. It had Linda Lingle and Sean Parnell as candidates Tongue. I'm adding the actual 2016 candidates. The scenario also has a Gary Johnson candidacy polling at 9%. I thought that was really lame in 2013 when I first downloaded the scenario. Now it maes sense.

New version.  I had to buy the new one after I got my new laptop.

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« Reply #3020 on: August 04, 2016, 08:17:53 PM »
« Edited: August 04, 2016, 08:49:05 PM by #TheShadowyAbyss »

Played a scenario where Trump was defeated at the RNC and ran as a third party candidate, Cruz won the GOP nomination instead.



CRUZ/FIORINA - 36.3% - 72,657,915 - 227 electoral votes
CLINTON/KAINE 29.8% - 59,615,415 - 235 electoral votes
TRUMP/GINGRICH 25.1% - 50,264,431 - 76 electoral votes
JOHNSON/WELD 5.8% - 11,643,412
STEIN/BARAKA - 3.0% - 6,039,519

Closest states:
WASHINGTON:
CRUZ 1,444,475 - 36.7%
CLINTON 1,430,900 - 36.4%
CRUZ + 13,575 - 0.3% OVER CLINTON

VIRGINIA:
CLINTON 1,869,890 - 37.5%
CRUZ 1,831,837 - 36.8%
CLINTON + 38,053 - 0.7% OVER CRUZ

KENTUCKY:
CRUZ 1,169,579 - 36.7%
TRUMP 1,091,635 - 34.3%
CRUZ + 77,944 - 2.4% OVER TRUMP

NEW MEXICO:
CLINTON 348,459 - 29.4%
JOHNSON 336,988 - 28.4%
CRUZ 330,610 - 27.9%
CLINTON + 11,471 - 1.0% OVER JOHNSON

GEORGIA:
TRUMP 2,165,951 - 31.3%
CLINTON 1,874,155 - 27.1%
CRUZ 1,775,512 - 25.6%
TRUMP + 291,796 - 4.2% OVER CLINTON  

CALIFORNIA:
CLINTON 7,264,270 - 33.5%
CRUZ 7,130,770 - 32.9%
CLINTON + 133,500 - 0.6% OVER CRUZ
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« Reply #3021 on: August 05, 2016, 01:07:45 PM »

Playing as Webb against Warren and Cuomo. I win every debate, and usually take IA and SC and sometimes NV with decent margins, but I always get destroyed on Super Tuesday. Any help?
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« Reply #3022 on: August 05, 2016, 01:52:28 PM »

Playing as Webb against Warren and Cuomo. I win every debate, and usually take IA and SC and sometimes NV with decent margins, but I always get destroyed on Super Tuesday. Any help?

Invest in 4-5 Super Tuesday states straight away, and make sure to do well in all states (the PR system for the Dem primaries means you can get destroyed; as Sanders did in RL in the South)

Basically from beginning you need to invest in the states
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« Reply #3023 on: August 05, 2016, 01:59:58 PM »

Playing as Webb against Warren and Cuomo. I win every debate, and usually take IA and SC and sometimes NV with decent margins, but I always get destroyed on Super Tuesday. Any help?

Invest in 4-5 Super Tuesday states straight away, and make sure to do well in all states (the PR system for the Dem primaries means you can get destroyed; as Sanders did in RL in the South)

Basically from beginning you need to invest in the states

Invest in what sense?
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« Reply #3024 on: August 05, 2016, 02:18:07 PM »

Playing as Webb against Warren and Cuomo. I win every debate, and usually take IA and SC and sometimes NV with decent margins, but I always get destroyed on Super Tuesday. Any help?

Invest in 4-5 Super Tuesday states straight away, and make sure to do well in all states (the PR system for the Dem primaries means you can get destroyed; as Sanders did in RL in the South)

Basically from beginning you need to invest in the states

Invest in what sense?

Build up Organization and Footsoldiers. A couple of well-timed newspaper ads wouldn't hurt. You'll also want to keep up your momentum with rallying and barnstorming in those states.
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