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« on: August 06, 2008, 05:16:58 pm »

My ultimate political dream: Warner whipping Romney's ass.

Warner: 62.7% PV, 538 EV
Romney: 37.3% PV, 0 EV

Closest state was Wyoming, decided by 11,662 votes.

     I'd expect Warner to do better against Romney.
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2008, 01:58:53 pm »


Powell: 63.9% PV, 538 EV
Clark: 36.1% PV, 0 EV

     Huh Powell wins D.C.?
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2008, 05:44:36 pm »



Giuliani/Sanford 373 51.1%
Obama/Biden     165 47.8%
Barr/Root               0   1.1%

Obama almost won Colorado, Montana, New Mexico, and Nevada. For a Dem he performed really well out west, while Rudy did well in the industrial NE.

     Huh But in your map, he does win Nevada.
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2008, 06:05:31 pm »



Giuliani/Sanford 373 51.1%
Obama/Biden     165 47.8%
Barr/Root               0   1.1%

Obama almost won Colorado, Montana, New Mexico, and Nevada. For a Dem he performed really well out west, while Rudy did well in the industrial NE.

     Huh But in your map, he does win Nevada.

Oops. I miss spoke. What's even more amazing is that Giuliani almost won Vermont. He lost it by 3,000 votes.

     That is funny. In the real world, Vermont will probably be Obama's strongest state.
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2008, 10:27:30 pm »
« Edited: August 18, 2008, 03:44:42 am by PiT (The Physicist) »

     I haven't played in forever, & I don't have PF on my computer anymore, but I found an old result of mine, that I had saved in Paint & replicated using the EV calculator:



     This is 1912. I took Taft out & ran as Teddy Roosevelt. Overwhelming margin of victory aside, my strong performance in Texas is actually kind of shocking. It's also worth mentioning that in DE & RI, I was trailing by 25+% at the final poll, but won RI & narrowly lost DE.
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2008, 10:51:08 pm »
« Edited: August 17, 2008, 10:54:17 pm by PiT (The Physicist) »

     Run me! Here are my positions:

Abortion -- CR
Affirmative Action -- R
Balanced Budget -- R
Business Tax -- CL
Campaign Finance Reform -- L
Ecology -- C
Education -- CR
Free Trade -- CR
Gun Control -- CR
Same-Sex Marriage -- L
Immigration -- C
Military Funding -- C
Military Intervention -- CR
Personal Tax -- C
Public Health Care -- CL
Renewable Energy -- C
Social Security -- CR
Terrorism -- C


     By the way, I found another old result of mine:



     This is 1860, without Douglas, with me running as Lincoln. With the North as safe as possible for me, I went on a whirlwind tour around the South. Two huge scandals limited my gains to DE, MO, & NJ. Sad Still, I got a scandal on Breckinridge, causing Bell to make big gains. Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2008, 06:06:40 pm »

President Constine faces reelection (I made the Democrats the incumbent party for the Ultimate 2008 scenario). He faces The Physicist, who is a California congressman.



BenConstine/Sensei (D): 284 EV; 51% of the PV (63,803,665 votes)
The Physicist/AHDuke99 (R): 254 EV; 48% of the PV (60,159,298 votes)
Joe Kanjowski (I): 0 EV; 0% of the PV (416,355 working men!)

President Constine will get four more years in the President Forever Universe. Smiley

     Sweet, I won Wisconsin. Smiley Losing the actual race sucks though. Sad Still, I'm surprised that Constine broke 60% in Virginia.
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2008, 06:12:54 pm »
« Edited: August 18, 2008, 06:16:14 pm by PiT (The Physicist) »

This is for EMD. I ran him against MasterJedi, who I hope is not offended that I added him to P4E.



MasterJedi/Supersoulty (R): 280 EV; 50% of the PV (62,338,596 votes)
EMD/Josh22 (D): 258 EV; 49% of the PV (61,731,235 votes)
Joe Kanjowsji (I): 0 EC; 0% of the PV (321,929 working men!)


     Shocked Alaska went R >70%? I guess EMD campaigned on selling it back to Russia. Wink
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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2008, 09:29:14 pm »

From the WTF department:



Bush/Cheney: 342 EV, 50.4%
Kerry/Edwards: 196 EV, 47.4%
Badnarik/Campagna: 1%
Peroutka/Baldwin: 0.9%
Nader/Camejo: 0.4%

     I found one (this is the last one I archived) that's just as strange. It's Clark (me) v. Bush v. a third party guy I gave a ton of cash & a huge base of support in the Great Plains:



     It's crazy. Bush won Ohio, but lost Oklahoma & Kansas. Never mind the percentages (Clark did better in Oklahoma than Vermont?!).
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2008, 02:58:40 pm »

Can anybody send me the old P4E throught Mediafire or something? I already bought it but it was lost in a virus. just don't want to buy it :-p Deleted by my crazy mother.
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2008, 02:13:22 pm »


Perot: 33.5% PV, 275 EV
Clinton: 34.1% PV, 148 EV
Bush: 32.4% PV, 115 EV

Closest state was Delaware, decided by 281 votes.

     Alabama was R>60%? Did Perot & Clinton forget it existed? Wink
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2008, 07:25:24 pm »

I played in my home-made France-in-the-US game as Nicolas Sarkozy, who picked Francois Goulard (lolz) as his running mate.

Fabius came from behind, losing every state, to beat Royal and picked DSK as his running mate.



Sarkozy/Goulard (R) 40,385,127 34.5% (383EV)
Bayrou/de Sarnez (Centrist) 33,092,866 28.3% (134EV)
Le Pen/Le Pen (C) 22,201,26319% (21EV)
Fabius/Strauss-Kahn (D) 21,223,763 18.2% (0EV)

Sarkozy won FL by 6,373 votes over Bayrou (his home state in this scenario)

California was a four-way race, Sarkozy taking 27% against 26.7% for Le Pen, 24.3% for Fabius, and 22% for Bayrou.

Le Pen was not on ballot in OK and Bayrou was not on the ballot in NH.

IL was weird. Sarkozy was leading or tied with Bayrou throughout the campaign there.

Like in France, pollsters were wrong on Le Pen: he was at 8% in the last poll IIRC.

     Did you then do a one-on-one race between Sarkozy & Bayrou to simulate the Deuxième Tour? Wink
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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2008, 06:44:51 pm »


     It almost makes 2002 look competitive by comparison.
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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2008, 10:19:30 pm »

     I got PF back on my computer! In celebration, I ran through 1992 as Bush, running the most phenomenally negative campaign the world had ever seen. As an ultimate act of humiliation, I won Arkansas & Tennessee.



Bush/Quayle, 42%, 385 EVs
Clinton/Gore, 36%, 142 EVs
Perot/Stockdale, 20%, 11 EVs
Marrou/Lord, 1%, 0 EVs
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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2008, 02:49:10 am »
« Edited: September 06, 2008, 08:32:11 pm by PiT (The Physicist) »

     I decided to try another hard race, coming off of my landslide victory in 1992.

     I ran as Fremont in 1856. All three candidates were repeatedly rocked with scandals, making for an exciting race. As it came down to the wire, the 149 electoral votes needed to secure a majority repeatedly eluded the brave General Fremont.



Fremont/Dayton, 34%, 140 EVs
Buchanan/Breckinridge, 37%, 100 EVs
Fillmore/Donelson, 28%, 56 EVs

     Congress elected John C. Fremont the 15th President of the United States! Also note that Fillmore lost the only state he actually won in real life.
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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2008, 09:27:03 pm »

     I got PF back on my computer! In celebration, I ran through 1992 as Bush, running the most phenomenally negative campaign the world had ever seen. As an ultimate act of humiliation, I won Arkansas & Tennessee.



Bush/Quayle, 42%, 385 EVs
Clinton/Gore, 36%, 142 EVs
Perot/Stockdale, 20%, 11 EVs
Marrou/Lord, 1%, 0 EVs

How did Perot win WA out of all places?

     I aggressively attacked Clinton in every close state. There were a bunch of states where he placed third behind Bush & Perot. The final result in Washington was something like:

Perot: 35%
Bush: 33%
Clinton: 32%

     It's also worth noting that Kansas was a swing state between Perot & Bush for the entire last month. I stopped campaigning there because I thought it would be interesting to have Perot win at least one state. The final result there was:

Bush: 36%
Perot: 35%
Clinton: 28%
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« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2008, 11:35:28 pm »
« Edited: September 05, 2008, 11:38:06 pm by PiT (The Physicist) »

     I decided to go ahead & try one of the most impossible elections: 1920. I ran admirably, but it took me about four weeks to research one scandal (WTF?), destroying my chances at winning. I ended up losing narrowly while winning the popular vote.



Harding/Coolidge, 41%, 295 EVs
Cox/Roosevelt, 46%, 236 EVs
Debs/Seidel, 7%, 0 EVs
Christensen/????, 3%, 0 EVs
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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2008, 01:43:06 am »

     I decided to take a break from running impossible races & ran in 2004 as an independent candidate I created. Wink



Djibril/Eiliger, 35%, 265 EVs
Bush/Cheney, 31%, 146 EVs
Kerry/Edwards, 32%, 127 EVs
Badnarik/Campagna, 0%, 0 EVs

     Congress elected Bush president. Makes sense. After all, why would they elect the guy who came within spitting distance of the White House? Roll Eyes

     Anyway, the map isn't a joke; almost every state was decided by a razor-thin margin. California was decided by under 7,000 votes (!!!).
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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2008, 01:53:49 am »
« Edited: September 07, 2008, 05:07:08 am by PiT (The Physicist) »

     I decided to take a break from running impossible races & ran in 2004 as an independent candidate I created. Wink



Djibril/Eiliger, 35%, 265 EVs
Bush/Cheney, 31%, 146 EVs
Kerry/Edwards, 32%, 127 EVs
Badnarik/Campagna, 0%, 0 EVs

     Congress elected Bush president. Makes sense. After all, why would they elect the guy who came within spitting distance of the White House? Roll Eyes

     Anyway, the map isn't a joke; almost every state was decided by a razor-thin margin. California was decided by under 7,000 votes (!!!).

What were the characteristics and strategy of your candidate?

     I gave him my own positions. I was lazy Tongue & wanted to see an interesting race, so I gave him 4 & 5 in every stat, along with $2 billion to blanket the nation with ads (I could've waited until the end to completely saturate the nation, though I don't do that because I don't find it to be a fun way to play). Tongue Also, I cycled between ads promoting myself, attacking Bush, & attacking Kerry. Used extra CP to get endorsements & then recruit foot soldiers. Basically my typical PF strategy (well, except saturating the nation with ads, of course).
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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2008, 03:41:57 pm »

     I decided to try another hard race, coming off of my landslide victory in 1992.

     I ran as Fremont in 1856. All three candidates were repeatedly rocked with scandals, making for an exciting race. As it came down to the wire, the 149 electoral votes needed to secure a majority repeatedly eluded the brave General Fremont.



Fremont/Dayton, 34%, 140 EVs
Buchanan/Breckinridge, 37%, 100 EVs
Fillmore/Donelson, 28%, 56 EVs

     Congress elected John C. Fremont the 15th President of the United States! Also note that Fillmore lost the only state he actually won in real life.

What's up with SC? The legislature would never elect a free-soiler.

If there are only a couple hundred legislators in the state, that means fewer people you need to bribe to win. Smiley

     I looked in the electoraltrends.p4e file after the election. Fremont was given a base of 30% there; low, but much higher than any other state in the South. I changed it to the more reasonable value of 0.
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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2008, 04:30:00 pm »

     I decided to try another hard race, coming off of my landslide victory in 1992.

     I ran as Fremont in 1856. All three candidates were repeatedly rocked with scandals, making for an exciting race. As it came down to the wire, the 149 electoral votes needed to secure a majority repeatedly eluded the brave General Fremont.



Fremont/Dayton, 34%, 140 EVs
Buchanan/Breckinridge, 37%, 100 EVs
Fillmore/Donelson, 28%, 56 EVs

     Congress elected John C. Fremont the 15th President of the United States! Also note that Fillmore lost the only state he actually won in real life.

What's up with SC? The legislature would never elect a free-soiler.

If there are only a couple hundred legislators in the state, that means fewer people you need to bribe to win. Smiley

     I looked in the electoraltrends.p4e file after the election. Fremont was given a base of 30% there; low, but much higher than any other state in the South. I changed it to the more reasonable value of 0.

Much better. But since it's the legislature, also give Buchanan 100.

     Done. Anyway, does anyone have an election that they want me to run?
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« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2008, 04:49:50 pm »


     Just the default ones + 1856 + 1920. That's not an issue though, since I can easily download more.
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« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2008, 08:27:03 pm »
« Edited: September 06, 2008, 08:31:43 pm by PiT (The Physicist) »

     Here's 1912. I would have won much more decisively, except I was hammered by a significant scandal later on in the race. I ended up recovering after an even bigger scandal hit Wilson. Another issue of note: the tossups were evenly split. There were six going into election day. I won two (OR, WA), Wilson won two (AZ, NH), & Taft won two (DE, OK).

     Anyway, I used orange for Debs's results, to make them more readable.



Roosevelt/Johnson, 37%, 359 EVs
Wilson/Marshall, 24%, 151 EVs
Taft/Butler, 22%, 21 EVs
Debs/Seidel, 15%, 0 EVs
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« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2008, 08:42:47 pm »


     I'm pretty sure that's impossible unless Lincoln & Douglas implode/are just not included. I'll try it tonight or tomorrow though.
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« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2008, 10:41:27 pm »

     I ran 1860 as Bell. I ended up doing very well. I could have done better, except Bell only had 4 CP per turn! What a ripoff . . . .



Lincoln/Hamlin, 30%, 154 EVs
Bell/Everett, 22%, 92 EVs
Breckinridge/Lane, 24%, 31 EVs
Douglas/Johnson, 22%, 26 EVs
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