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« on: October 23, 2004, 01:19:30 am »

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Gore vs. Bush 2004
Bush 351 51%
Gore 187 48%

Tossups were:
HI 560 votes
CA
MD
IL
IN

That's interesting.  Gore actually won his home state in that scenario.
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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2005, 04:52:01 am »

Dean (me) vs. Bush:

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Bush: 283 EVs (50% PV)
Dean: 255 EVs (49% PV)

Weirdest #%^(ing map I ever saw.  I won Florida and Indiana while losing Illinois and New York.  I was also within 5 points of winning Kansas.
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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2005, 05:41:05 am »

Let me get this one straight. Howard Dean loses his solidly Democratic state of birth while landslide Missouri and winning Indiana?

Yep, pretty much.

Wasn't even close, either; Bush got 58.5% in New York and 56 something in Illinois.
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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2005, 05:56:47 am »

Longley (myself) vs. Bush (vs. Nader vs. Badnarik):

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Longley: 430 EVs (56% PV)
Bush: 108 EVs (37% PV)

Best states:

Longley: Massachussetts (70.9%)
Bush: Louisiana (59.0%)
Nader: Vermont (19.4%)
Badnarik: North Dakota (6.0%)

Worst states:

Longley: Alaska (28.5%)
Bush: Rhode Island (22.6%)
Nader: Georgia (1.0%)
Badnarik: New Jersey (0.0%)

Top three closest states:

1. Colorado (Longley wins, 47.4-47.3)
2. Maryland (Longley wins, 49.3-48.5)
3. Utah (Bush wins, 47.6-45.2)


Yeah, uh, I think my strategy kinda worked. Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2005, 05:46:28 pm »

How the hell can the same candidate get 49% in Maryland and 45% in Utah?

Got me.  Maybe the gigantic scandal I launched on Bush a week and a half before the election was that he hated Mormons or something.
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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2005, 06:48:16 pm »


Made a new scenario, starting on August 1.  I was Badnarik, switched all positions to Right on first day, to left on last.

I remember one time I was playing the 1932 scenario as Hoover.  About a week and a half before the election, it was neck-and-neck.  I thought to look at my platform and was like "wtf this platform sucks" so I completely changed it without thinking about what would happen and subsequently lost all but two states. Cheesy
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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2005, 12:15:58 am »

Clinton vs. Bush vs. Perot (me):

My entire campaign was based around sabotaging Bush's campaign.  I did absolutely no personal campaigning whatsoever and made every single one of my speeches and ads into attacks on Bush.  All of my scandal research was against Bush.

The results:

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Clinton: 417 EVs (46% PV)
Bush: 64 EVs (28% PV)
Perot: 57 EVs (24% PV)

Best states:

Clinton: Arkansas (63.6%)
Bush: Oklahoma (44.3%)
Perot: Utah (56.4%)

Worst states:

Clinton: Utah (21.2%)
Bush: Massachussetts (14.1%)
Perot: Louisiana (11.7%)

Top three closest states:

1. North Dakota (Bush wins over Perot, 34.1-33.6)
2. New Mexico (Bush wins over Clinton, 37.4-36.8)
3. Virginia (Clinton wins over Bush, 38.5-37.2)
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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2005, 01:13:16 am »

The 1984 scenario is officially screwed up, as I was hit by a power 9 scandal in the last week of the campaign and lost every single state except for Minnesota, New York, and... uh...

...

Texas.
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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2005, 06:49:56 pm »

What the hell, as Dean again I hit Bush with a power 9 scandal a week before the election and won Oklahoma, Indiana, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Tennessee because of it, but I CANNOT WIN NEW YORK

WHY CAN I NOT WIN NEW YORK

I LOST THE ELECTION BECAUSE I DID NOT WIN NEW YORK

AAAAAARG

PS: I just noticed something else: I somehow won the PV 54-45, yet lost in the electoral college 253-285.
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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2005, 05:23:54 am »

Mondale (me) vs. Reagan:

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Mondale: 294 EVs (49% PV)
Reagan: 244 EVs (50% PV)

Best states:

Mondale: Illinois (58.3%)
Reagan: Wisconsin (66.0%)

Worst states:

Mondale: Wisconsin (34.0%)
Reagan: Illinois (41.6%)

Closest states:

1. North Dakota (Mondale wins 50.02-49.98 - 135 votes!)
2. Pennsylvania (Mondale wins 50.1-49.8)
3. Texas (Mondale wins 50.2-49.7)


Reagan was leading in the electoral college 535-3 a week before the election, but he collapsed just enough under a power 3 scandal that I spun over and over and over again and under 3 ads running in all 50 states for the last 4 days that Mondale was able to eke out razor-thin victories in enough states to win the election.

I can now die a happy man now that I've finally won as Mondale. :)

Notable facts:

1. I managed to win while losing the home states of both Mondale and Ferraro - of course, I did compensate by winning the home state of Bush!

2. I lost the PV while winning the EV by a greater margin than Bush did in 2000.

3. I had a momentum of +993 (!) on the last day of the election.

4. One of my strategies that I may try again in light of this success was to grit my teeth and endure the loss of my base by completely changing my platform at the start of the campaign to make every single one of my stances rated as +1.
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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2005, 06:18:47 am »

Okay, Howard Dean again.

I hit Bush with a power 12 scandal that got augmented to power 14 a week before the election and it sat there at that level the entire time.  Meanwhile, I ran four power 5 ads for four days before the election.

I lost in the electoral college by nearly 200 electoral votes.

I have come to the conclusion that winning as Howard Dean against George W. Bush is physically impossible.

BUT I WON NEW YORK THIS TIME SO THE JOKE IS ON BUSH
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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2005, 06:07:56 pm »

I've won with Dean. Big, even. There is probably something wrng with your strategy, I don't reacall it was even that hard to win with Dean. Power 5 isn't that good, you should have at least one power 6 ad. Wink

Fine, be that way. Tongue
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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2005, 03:27:11 pm »

Oh, all right, I'll try Dean again. Wink
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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2005, 04:58:20 pm »

The 2000 scenerio makes Nader way too strong.

The 2004 scenario makes Nader way too strong.

I'm under the impression 80soft Software is ran by Greens. Otherwise they would never let California vote for Cart in 1980. Smiley

Screw that, I won Montana, the Dakotas, and Texas as Mondale. Cheesy
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2005, 05:41:18 pm »

I WIN

Dean (me) vs. Bush:

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Dean: 274 EVs (54% PV)
Bush: 264 EVs (45% PV)

Best states - Dean:

1. Massachussetts (70.6%)
2. New York (69.4%)
3. Maine (66.4%)

Best states - Bush:

1. Idaho (64.4%)
2. Alabama (59.5%)
3. Utah (59.2%)

Closest states:

1. Oklahoma (Bush wins 50.23-49.77)
2. North Dakota (Bush wins 50.24-49.76)
3. Mississippi (Dean wins 50.4-49.5)

Closest election I've had yet.  The only states I could have lost and still won the election were Delaware, Vermont, Rhode Island, or Maine.

PS: No, I don't know how I won the Carolinas and Mississippi while losing Minnesota and Pennsylvania. Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2005, 05:21:02 pm »

THE REVENGE OF THE THIRD PARTIES! Cheesy

Just for fun, I ripped off Colin's idea and made myself an independent in 2004 and gave everyone $100,000,000 and a party establishment of 5.

Bush vs. Kerry vs. Longley vs. Badnarik:

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Bush: 243 EVs (32% PV)
Kerry: 162 EVs (30% PV)
Longley: 130 EVs (27% PV)
Badnarik: 3 EVs (9% PV)

Best states:

Kerry: Washington (42.5%)
Bush: Vermont (49.3%) (?!??!!?)
Longley: Nebraska (49.3%)
Badnarik: South Dakota (29.4%)

Worst states:

Kerry: Utah (16.4%)
Bush: Rhode Island (21.3%)
Longley: Missouri (15.9%)
Badnarik: New Mexico (0.0% - 343 votes)

Closest states:

1. South Dakota (Badnarik wins over Bush, 29.4-29.3)
2. Ohio (Bush wins over Longley, 28.5-28.2)
3. Colorado (Longley wins over Bush, 34.5-32.2)

After a gigantic scandal on Kerry about three and a half weeks before the election, Bush was well in the lead and Badnarik and I were hardly even on the radar.  At first it looked like he would go towards near-landslide victory, but then, well...

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I surged with a momentum of roughly +700 to take tons of states away from Bush and throw other states to Kerry, and, as a result, throw the election to the House.

Badnarik got up just enough momentum to take South Dakota, as well, a feat that I'm sure will make John Dibble proud of him. Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2005, 12:41:20 pm »

Badnarik

What do you have as the attributes of Badnarik?  (Leadership, Charisma, Stamina etc.)

Whatever they were originally set as in the 2004 scenario.  I didn't change the candidates themselves at all, I just gave everyone $100,000,000 and a party establishment of 5.
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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2005, 09:39:37 pm »

Badnarik

What do you have as the attributes of Badnarik? (Leadership, Charisma, Stamina etc.)

Whatever they were originally set as in the 2004 scenario. I didn't change the candidates themselves at all, I just gave everyone $100,000,000 and a party establishment of 5.

Badnarik isn't in the 2004 scenario in my game Tongue

Er, I haven't a clue what game you're playing in that case. Tongue  Badnarik came with the 2004 scenario I have...
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« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2005, 10:32:33 pm »

Kennedy (me) vs. Nixon:

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Kennedy: 438 EVs (55% PV)
Nixon: 99 EVs (41% PV)

Best states:

Kennedy: Rhode Island (79.8%)
Nixon: Tennessee (55.0%)

Worst states:

Kennedy: Tennessee (42.5%)
Nixon: Louisiana (16.3%)

Closest states:

1. Ohio (Kennedy wins, 49.4-49.3)
2. Indiana (Nixon wins, 49.4-48.7)
3. Idaho (Kennedy wins, 47.8-46.6)

I think that this is what you call the Big Mo':

2 days to go:

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1 day to go:

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Cheesy
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« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2005, 01:44:37 am »

Kerry (me) vs. Bush vs. Nader vs. Badnarik:

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Kerry: 468 EVs (47% PV)
Bush: 70 EVs (33% PV)
Nader: 0 EVs (4% PV)
Badnarik: 0 EVs (13% PV)

Best states:

Kerry: Rhode Island (74.7%)
Bush: Idaho (51.2%)
Nader: Alaska (13.6%)
Badnarik: Nevada (31.9%)

Worst states:

Kerry: Alaska (25.9%)
Bush: Rhode Island (21.0%)
Nader: Idaho (0.2%)
Badnarik: Rhode Island (0.2%)

Closest states:

1. Utah (Bush wins over Kerry, 47.2-46.2)
2. Georgia (Kerry wins over Bush, 48.9-47.6)
3. Iowa (Kerry wins over Bush, 38.4-36.8 )

Now that's what I call a landslide - Kerry had won the election by 9:00 PM! Cheesy
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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2005, 04:05:45 am »

Being very bored, I decided to run myself against opebo, Mike Naso, and John Dibble, and given both myself and Dibble $2 billion and Naso and opebo $0 to see what would happen.  Basically, my strategy was to do absolutely nothing but spin news, run two ads at a time in all 50 states for the entire duration of the campaign, and research scandals on Naso and opebo.  Party establishment of Dibble and I were 1; the others were 5.

The result:

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Longley: 521 EVs (43% PV)
Dibble: 11 EVs (14% PV)
Naso: 3 EVs (22% PV)
opebo: 3 EVs (19% PV)

Best states:

Longley: Montana (55.8%)
Dibble: Indiana (33.9%)
Naso: Alaska (46.3%)
opebo: New York (40.2%)

NOTE: I don't usually mention DC because it's horribly boring, but it should be noted that opebo won DC with only 56.4%.

Worst states:

Longley: Indiana (28.8%)
Dibble: California (1.9%)
Naso: Rhode Island (7.1%)
opebo: Wyoming (0.0% - 6 votes!!!!!!!!)

Closest states:

1. Alaska (Naso wins over Longley, 46.3-44.7)
2. Indiana (Dibble wins over Naso, 33.9-31.2)
3. Oklahoma (Longley wins over Dibble, 34.2-30.7)

Just for fun, here's a screenshot of the absolutely hilarious Wyoming result:

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and a very similar Utah result:

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and just for kicks, here's the PV bar with the pictures I used for each character. Smiley

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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2005, 04:07:02 pm »

And I still need to find a way to win the 1984 election as Mondale. At least I came close this time...

Here's what my strategy was to win as Mondale:

1. Fix your horrible platform.  Change absolutely everything to "centrist".  You have such a tiny base that it hardly impacts anything to do so.

2. Immediately start researching a scandal on Reagan on whatever the people care most about.  If you're successful with a reasonable amount of time left in the campaign, do it again on another topic.  You must have at least one power 9 scandal against Reagan by the last week of the campaign.

3. Immediately start making ad after ad, deleting your weakest ads when you've accumulated four, until you have four ads of at least power 5.

4. Put as much effort as you can into getting endorsements from places that give you issue momentum.  Don't let a single one of them endorse Reagan.

5. Once all of this is done, spend the entire time giving policy speeches and barnstorming while keeping your issue knowledge/debating skills level.  Don't bother trying to win the debate against Reagan; just spin it down when he wins.  Put as much spin as you can spare on any and every news event that comes up that has a power level of 3 or more.

6. Two weeks before the election, leak your lower-power scandal if you have one and spin it with a 100% success rate for all it's worth until a week before the election or until it dies.  Stop whatever you're doing and just focus on spinning the scandal.

7. One week before the election, leak your power 9 scandal and spin, spin, spin, spin with a 100% success rate.  Again, stop whatever you're doing and just focus on spinning the power 9 scandal.  It's extremely important that the scandal stay with a high power and at the top of the headlines for the entire remaining duration of the campaign.

8. Three days before the election, set up your four ads to run in all 50 states.

9. Pray to God for mercy on election night. Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2005, 07:49:08 pm »

Mondale (me) vs. Reagan:

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You won Texas, Montana, the Dakota, but you lost Minnesota. Huh

Dynamism does some strange things.
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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2005, 10:49:57 pm »

Since I don't know how to get a map up of the election, I just post some stats.

Given that the EV Calculator feature only goes back to 1896, the easiest way would probably be to save a copy of the map on this page to your hard drive and then use MS Paint to repaint the states.
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« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2005, 09:24:02 pm »

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Did you have dynamism on?  That's the only way I can account for Gore winning Arizona but not Tennessee. Tongue
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