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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2009, 03:08:25 PM »

Ensign is probably my favorite conservative Republican right now.
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« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2009, 03:15:08 PM »

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« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2009, 03:32:28 PM »

Condi Rice?
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« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2009, 04:38:34 PM »

Speaking of Lamar Alexander, why wasn't he ever successful?  He ran in '96 and 2000, right?  '96 seemed to be entitled to Dole, but I would think he'd have been more competetive in 2000.  Was the support for Bush THAT strong?  (I wasn't really interested in politics in 2000)

One interesting counterfactual on 1996: What if Alexander had edged out Dole for 2nd place in the NH primary?  Would much of the establishment have rallied to Alexander instead of Dole, in order to stop the likes of Buchanan and Forbes?

Regarding the 2000 primary race, you have to understand that (largely just because of his name and the fact that being governor of Texas gives you a strong fundraising base) Bush was just an overwhelmingly strong frontrunner by the fall of 1999.  At one point, there were 12 candidates running for the GOP nomination, but 6 of them dropped out even before Iowa because they couldn't compete with Bush.  Bush had an enormous fundraising advantage, a lead in the national polls of something like 50 points, and an enormous lead in Iowa (NH was a different story).  The fact that McCain was able to make it as competitive as it was was seen as a minor miracle.

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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2009, 04:54:25 PM »

Hoeven and Rounds are both solid picks for "dark horse" status.  And Hoeven would be my number one dark horse.

You can almost count on at least one, perhaps several, House members running in the primary.  Hunter, Tancredo, Kucinich in the D party...there are usually a couple. And sometimes a former governor gets in.  Gilmore and Tommy Thompson did in 08 and Frank Keating flirted with the idea.  So look there, too.

But then, I wouldn't expect any of them to win the nomination.

I won't consider Huntsman, Ryan or Mike Pence true "dark horses" since they've been mentioned in media as possible candidates.

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« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2009, 05:01:32 PM »

I see someone on here likes Congressman Aaron Schock of the 18th district of Illinois. I think he will be a frontrunner in the 2020 election. (He is only 27)

My "dark horses" are
1. John Thune; Junior Senator from South Dakota
2. Sam Brownback; Current Senator and candidate for Kansas governor
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« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2009, 05:03:33 PM »

I see someone on here likes Congressman Aaron Schock of the 18th district of Illinois. I think he will be a frontrunner in the 2020 election. (He is only 27)

My "dark horses" are
1. John Thune; Junior Senator from South Dakota
2. Sam Brownback; Current Senator and candidate for Kansas governor

Finally!  A blue avatar from Indiana.  Welcome to the forum, fellow Hoosier.

I don't consider Thune a dark horse...I consider him a serious contender.  And you know, Brownback may well re-emerge.  He is a guy with too much potential to retire from public life at this early stage.  I don't like or agree with either of them, but they are fairly sharp guys.

(My money's still on Pence.)
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« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2009, 05:14:45 PM »

I see someone on here likes Congressman Aaron Schock of the 18th district of Illinois. I think he will be a frontrunner in the 2020 election. (He is only 27)

My "dark horses" are
1. John Thune; Junior Senator from South Dakota
2. Sam Brownback; Current Senator and candidate for Kansas governor

Finally!  A blue avatar from Indiana.  Welcome to the forum, fellow Hoosier.

I don't consider Thune a dark horse...I consider him a serious contender.  And you know, Brownback may well re-emerge.  He is a guy with too much potential to retire from public life at this early stage.  I don't like or agree with either of them, but they are fairly sharp guys.

(My money's still on Pence.)

Smiley I've been on this site for a while, just never ventured to this section.
Yeah, I guess you are right. But he isn't one of the Top 5.
Brownback is seeking the Republican party nomination for Kansas governor. He isn't retiring.
Congressman Pence is pretty cool, but I don't see him making the national scene soon. He may challenge Skillman (Will she run?) for governor in 4 years.
My Congressman is Ellsworth. He only got re-elected thanks to a poor challenger in a Democrat year. Once there is a Republican year and we put someone decent up, he is out.
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« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2009, 05:56:26 PM »

I see someone on here likes Congressman Aaron Schock of the 18th district of Illinois. I think he will be a frontrunner in the 2020 election. (He is only 27)

My "dark horses" are
1. John Thune; Junior Senator from South Dakota
2. Sam Brownback; Current Senator and candidate for Kansas governor

Brownback will not be running for President in 2012 unless he drops out of the governor's race.  If he doesn't drop out, he'd have to declare his candidacy for President immediately upon being inaugurated as governor or upon losing an election -- not likely to happen.
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« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2009, 05:57:04 PM »

I see someone on here likes Congressman Aaron Schock of the 18th district of Illinois. I think he will be a frontrunner in the 2020 election. (He is only 27)


Well, it's obviously way too early to say whether or not he will even be a candidate but I've been saying that I want him in 2020 (if everything works out).  Smiley
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« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2009, 06:16:46 PM »

Is it kosher to jump the gun and support random freshmen representatives for PRESIDENT now?

Oh what the hell...

CYNTHIA LUMMIS FOR PRESIDENT



REPRESENTATIVE FOR WYOMING'S AT LARGE DISTRICT
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« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2009, 06:31:26 PM »


Very bold.  I say the same.

He would probably be massacred in the primary due to him being in the lower house, though.
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« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2009, 06:36:55 PM »

John Hoeven, Paul Ryan, John McCain
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« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2009, 06:45:40 PM »

John Hoeven, Paul Ryan, John McCain

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« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2009, 07:06:47 PM »

Chuck Hagel.  He's said he wants to continue serving his country somehow - please let it be from the Oval Office.  I'll be first in line to support him.
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« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2009, 07:55:46 PM »

Chuck Hagel.  He's said he wants to continue serving his country somehow - please let it be from the Oval Office.  I'll be first in line to support him.

I agree. I myself could support Chuck Hagel.
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« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2009, 08:04:29 PM »

Chuck Hagel.  He's said he wants to continue serving his country somehow - please let it be from the Oval Office.  I'll be first in line to support him.

I could see myself supporting Hagel, if Obama flounders.
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« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2009, 08:39:58 PM »

Chuck Hagel.  He's said he wants to continue serving his country somehow - please let it be from the Oval Office.  I'll be first in line to support him.

I could see myself supporting Hagel, if Obama flounders.

hopefully Obama won't flounder.
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« Reply #43 on: January 09, 2009, 11:03:47 PM »

Nehemiah Scudder

OK, OK...

For a plain "dark horse" you could probably pick quite a few viable candidates using a few criteria:
1. Some high level experience (either a governor, senator, or general - with an outside shot for representatives, former cabinet members, big city mayors, or captains of industry)
2. Lack of high level national name recognition.
3. Ambition and some way of appealing to Republican primary voters.

People like Crist, Pawtaney, or Hagel might fit that bill.

For incredibly dark horses - Rick Warren perhaps (almost worked for Robertson in '88).  2 and 3 still apply, but the second half of #1 would just be a starting point.
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« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2009, 12:07:31 AM »

I'm a bit surprised nobody's mentioned John E. Sununu.

I know, I know, it's crazy... but I don't think it's as crazy as it sounds.
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« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2009, 12:09:01 AM »

I'm a bit surprised nobody's mentioned John E. Sununu.

I know, I know, it's crazy... but I don't think it's as crazy as it sounds.

John Sununu is possible, yes. Still, I think that Judd Gregg (the other NH senator) is more likely than him to run.
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« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2009, 01:01:55 AM »

I'm a bit surprised nobody's mentioned John E. Sununu.

I know, I know, it's crazy... but I don't think it's as crazy as it sounds.

Why are you surprised nobody's mentioned him, if you admit that it sounds crazy?

I don't think there's any chance for Sununu to run for president in 2012, now that he's lost his most recent statewide race.  I do still think, though, that Sununu would have been an above average running mate option for McCain, and he should have been considered.  Sununu was going to lose that senate race anyway, so he might as well have just dropped out of it to run as McCain's running mate (if McCain had chosen him).

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« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2009, 01:31:45 AM »

I'm a bit surprised nobody's mentioned John E. Sununu.

I know, I know, it's crazy... but I don't think it's as crazy as it sounds.

I'd like it. Sununu was always one of my favorite Senators. He had a few terms under his belt as a Congressman on top of his six years as a Senator so that would be fine in the "experience" department.
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« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2009, 01:55:17 AM »

I'm a bit surprised nobody's mentioned John E. Sununu.

I know, I know, it's crazy... but I don't think it's as crazy as it sounds.

I'd like it. Sununu was always one of my favorite Senators. He had a few terms under his belt as a Congressman on top of his six years as a Senator so that would be fine in the "experience" department.

I highly doubt that he'd run.
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« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2009, 03:17:29 AM »

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