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« on: January 16, 2009, 05:58:28 PM »

We need to focus more on economics and why free-market principles are the best way for the economy

Most Americans don't support "free-market principles." I doubt McCain would have carried ten states if everyone had voted solely on economic issues last year. Of course, you're also right in noting the long-term decline of social conservatism, so I'm tempted to just say you're screwed and leave it at that. Wink

Honestly, though, if I were a Republican strategist, I would keep waving the flag and screaming about "pansy-ass, tea-sipping" Europeans and scary brown people. The political climate is bound to get better for the right eventually, and this formula will work (again) when that time comes. Becoming some kind of half-assed Libertarian Party would lose a lot more votes than it gains.

That's probably what they will do (scary brown people and overeducated, latte-drinking liberals), but I can assure you it will not work because (1)  it won't be long before the brown people outnumber the white people and (2) the internet and technology will make future generations even more open-minded.
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2009, 06:01:51 PM »

Black, hispanics
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2009, 06:08:34 PM »

You don't have to scream about it.  When your party constantly opposes immigration, when until recently you had senators such as Jesse Helms and when many of your party's supporters are racists and when Obama is dangerous for the country because he's "exotic", it's pretty clear to me that the party still embraces such beliefs.
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2009, 06:27:03 PM »

Paul, no offense, but what country do you live in?  You honestly don't believe your party is associated with everything I mentioned?

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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2009, 06:50:05 PM »

Paul, no offense, but what country do you live in?  You honestly don't believe your party is associated with everything I mentioned?

There are definitely people who make those associations.  But I find them to be ignorant.    Similarly, I find Republicans who identify Democrats as "appeasers" and "communists" to be rather uninsightful.  I don't associate the Democratic party with those who call John McCain a murderer and George W. Bush a war criminal.  Painting with such a broad brush isn't the best way to get your arguments across.   

Here is the exchange I took issue with...

Honestly, though, if I were a Republican strategist, I would keep waving the flag and screaming about "pansy-ass, tea-sipping" Europeans and scary brown people.

That's probably what they will do (scary brown people and overeducated, latte-drinking liberals)...

Oppose the GOP positions on immigration reform, welfare reform, etc., if you want, but the "Republicans are racist" accusation is seriously played-out.

It might be in your case and good for you, but as long as all the racists in this country continue to vote for the Republican party, that perception will exist.
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2009, 08:33:26 PM »

It might be in your case and good for you, but as long as all the racists in this country continue to vote for the Republican party, that perception will exist.

Did it ever occur to you that there are racists who vote for Democrats as well?  Even those who vote exclusively for the Democratic Party?  These perceptions will exist so long as people like you continue to perpetuate them. 

I think most would argue that it's people like Chip Saltzman or Trent Lott who do that, but if it makes you feel better to think it's my fault, so be it.
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2009, 12:19:33 AM »

It might be in your case and good for you, but as long as all the racists in this country continue to vote for the Republican party, that perception will exist.

You obviously believe that racism is racism only when it happens toward non whites.

Oh no, not at all.  But it's kind of hard for a racist minority to have the impact on elections, laws etc. a racist majority does.  But I certainly agree that racism goes both ways.   
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